Sunday, February 19, 2006

Look deeper...

We always say that things are not always what they seem to be and one should look closer and deeper before making a judgement about anything and anybody. Sometimes, you do get sucked into something that superficially looks genuine and rational. But the core is rotten and you realize this after a while.

One of the ways that right-wing seems to attack feminists/liberals is to pick up some isolated cases and generalize it. They get a few people who are supposedly victims of some injustice and they use them to create enough noise to compel lawmakers and people on the fence to believe that their cases are genuine and that the feminist movement is evil. Interestingly, I see it happening more often than not with the communists. There is a wide-spread belief that communists are anti-development, trouble makers, etc, etc. Why? Pick up any paper on any given day and you will never see anybody discussing the communist's point of view. Moreover, it is likely that you will see cartoons and articles deriding the communists without looking at their messages. Before you start accusing me of being a communist, let me just say that I am not. But I do not think that there are pure evil in the way the media seems to portray them and they do make some relevant points. I am more likely to pick a communist newspaper/magazine because I feel that though there is a definite communist bias in them, they report things in meticulous details and they report things that are generally ignored in the mainstream media, which seems to be obsessed with things urban.

Recently, a bunch of 'activists' spam-posted on my friend, Jaya’s, blog. The first post sounded quite reasonable. (for the uninitiated, the law basically protects women from the harassment they receive from their in-laws regarding dowry. The law makes this offence un-bailable) Well, there is nothing wrong with protesting against unjust usage of the law but the misogynous nature of their views is there for us to view right in this post.

"See growing rate of divorce. Few days back there was news in HT, as per which majority of divorce cases are because women are having extra-marital affairs, why this situation is there, it is because certain women feel with weapon of section 498A on their side, they are much stronger than their husbands and In-Laws. My appeal to President of India, Prime Minister, Cabinet ministers, and Judges is please examine this issue on priority and save Indian culture. Introduce Law, which will protect innocent - both women and men."

Look how quickly they make the connection between divorce and the power given to women by the law. It is connection that is neither substantiated nor correct! And they go to further make the pronouncement that this law is against Indian culture! First, there is no proof that this law really is the cause of divorces nor do they bother to give any. Second, their idea that divorces are against Indian culture and thus, evil would be hilarious if they were joking. For the patriarchy, divorces are dangerous as it challenges their claim to power by giving women the option of getting out of a marriage that are not happy in. One of the reasons why people are forced into marriage early in their life is because of the fact that it takes a long time and education for an average person to be able to get a decent paying job and be independent. So, parents try to get their children, especially daughters, before they are able to "stand on their own legs". Daughters are put under more pressure because they are supposed to live a life that is subordinate to their male counterparts. Most women succumb to this pressure and get married to someone that their parents pick out for them. For people like Satya, this is Indian culture. It is sad to see our culture being derided by such obnoxious people!

People give anecdotal stories of how they have been harassed by their better halves but they are always the victims of some malicious woman whose seems to be worse than the devil, according to them! I am not saying that there wasn't any genuine case of the law being misused. I am not saying that all women are angels but neither are all men innocent. Besides, it is men who hold all the power, both economically and socially. And the dowry system is a real social problem, which these guys never seem to address. To break away from an abusive family, the women needs to be economically and socially empowered but that is sadly not true in the majority of the cases. Most men and their families expect the women to give up their career once they get married and take care of the household. This makes the women economically dependent on her husband. Secondly, a woman who leaves her husband is looked down upon in our society. She might even get turned out of her own parent's home because it is no longer 'her home' and that her husband’s home is 'her home'.

Jaya is pretty sane and she is definitely not interested in encouraging such spammers on her blog. She basically tells them to go look somewhere else because she is not interested in their 'activism'. Sadly, they do not want to leave her alone and there is this barrage of comments on her blog that she is forced to post a series of posts titles, tongue in cheek, 'Save Indian Sanity', spoofing their movement's title -- 'Save Indian Family'. :)

Here's what she has to say –

"I can't say anything other than this that these people are behaving pathetically. Look here - if a law, any law in the world, is being misused by anyone, its wrong. Who would be foolish enough to go against that stand? Okay, here is another law that probably is being misused by some. Its a great idea if one could help people who are unnecessarily being troubled by that. But as Abhaya rightly pointed out, what the heck does that have to do with Indian culture and family and divorce!! I mean, that's just too much. Misusing a law is just that, misusing a law. Has got no cultural connotations please… Then think of how pathetic it is to appeal to IITian sentiment for that; or for that matter to bash Feminism as a whole."

Derision of feminists is not uncommon. The image of feminists as bra-burning, male-hating, lesbians is now so common that it could quite easily manage to get into the dictionary! So, this response that she gets wasn't really that far off..

"Damn every evil thing in thise world is related to evils of feminism , sowry.
NCW is planning to steal the houses from IITians under the new domestic violence law.
IITian suffer the highest percentage of those trapped false dowry cases.
So are just makies all teh freshies aware of how these laws operate.
Dear IITian
The mere fact that you are not a dowry monger is no excuse for you to avoid jail .
That is the beauty of of our Dowry laws drafted by our misandryst feminists"


For being stubborn and unmoved by their incredibly inane bombardments, she gets bad publicity on their blog (I do not want to link them here but you can find the link on Jaya's post)! She just wants to be left alone and her blog unspammed but she does not get her wish...

http://jayajha.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/save-indian-sanity-ii/#comment-1046

http://jayajha.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/save-indian-sanity-ii/#comment-1048

http://jayajha.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/save-indian-sanity-ii/#comment-1056

"Some people prefer to be adamant with their own view and never has courage to try putting onself into other’s shoe!!"

She doesn't give in to their views and resists their attempts to make her 'understand' and she gets derided for lack of empathy! I wonder whether these people ever empathize with the women who do get harassed by their in-laws for dowry.

Just when you think that it just cannot get more stupid, we see this. I think this is where they realized that their shouting was not having any effect on Jaya and out comes their hatred for what they call "modern supernakh" (shoorpanakha is a character in the Indian epic, Ramayana. She is the cultural stereotype of a bad woman – immoral, head-strong, lying, conniving, lustful, etc, etc).

http://jayajha.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/save-indian-sanity-ii/#comment-1060

scroll further in those comments and you find this self-righteous comment...

http://jayajha.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/save-indian-sanity-ii/#comment-1068

"Jaya
You had been exposed , though you try to best to take a msk of Modern Sita , but SIF volenters exposed your real face , you can not hide the coments in your bolg .
This for your reference , let the whole world observe how you are killing our age old parents and pregent sister by doing the legal terrorism in india ."


In fact, it is they who have been exposed! Their lack of rationale and ridiculous perseverance in saying the same things over and over again without trying to understand what the other person is trying to say can be attributed to their mind-numbing stupidity or is it their lack of English skills? One will never know!
When they realize that their shouting is not having any effect on the listener, they come out with their real inner views.

http://jayajha.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/save-indian-sanity-iii/#comment-1082

I really do not know which portion of the comment to put here. So, I am going to ask you to follow the link and read the entire thing. If you do, you can see how the person has traced the root of all problems to the education of women! This is classic. The reason why women were never educated was exactly due to the fear that they might rebel against their second-class-citizens status. It is a classic example of how much the patriarchal thinking is ingrained that people resist change and resist things that seek to point out the injustice present in the system. Men are so privileged that they do not realize that they are suppressing women. It may not be willful but the practices of our society that ensure that women so not get equal opportunities and chances do just that and many men do not realize that suppression need not be an individual thing. Just because it is societally accepted practice does not mean that it is right.

"Why a women have to be fed till her death after marriage in India?"

Hmm.. Why is it that it is a woman who is expected to forsake her career, cook the food, clean the shit of the babies that she is expected to produce, work seven days a week and 12 hours a day without pay, and still is expected to be grateful to the man who brings in the food! And why is a woman who refuses to live under these conditions considered evil, immoral and cast out of society leaving her little choice regarding her course of action? And why is a law that seeks to equalize this disparity just a little bit a cause of such heartburn to you?
The misogynism in this person’s post is an inner peek at what these people are really seeking. "Better keep her ignorant, lest she becomes untamable". They are afraid of women. After all, they do make up 50% of the population (well, not quite, thanks to female feticide and infanticide).

http://jayajha.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/save-indian-sanity-iv/#comment-1074

" Feminists are Hypochondriac Hypocrites.
Every year women drive 23000 men to suicide and go simply scot free."


http://jayajha.wordpress.com/2006/02/11/save-indian-sanity-iv/#comment-1083

"Root problem
Infact, the problem is our Indian ppl are poisoned by the Feminists organisations dangeroulsy. Whether a male or female, a child doesn't know. They acquire knowledge throgh the society. This society contains most vultures than any other as NGOs. So, continuos spread of hatred towards a man and dowry made these little children prone to poison. Dowry is a social custom in India for centuries. Crime by dowry demand is nothing but greed. we already have laws for cheating, greedy, characterless fellows. why this 498a? and 'mental tension clause' ...nothing but corruption."


'Poisoned by feminists organisations'? Really? I hardly think so. There is so much prejudice against feminism , it is hardly feasible for a person to become a feminist without conviction. It is not something that you do because of peer pressure because, lets face it, there is no peer pressure with regard to feminism. Besides, isn't dowry a social evil? Don't women get abused and killed because their in-laws are not satisfied with the dowry? Dont the woman's family get held for ransom just before the marriage in the wedding hall with threats for more dowry or no marriage? Just because we have laws does not mean that they are effective. If it were, people would not be able to break it with such impunity.

"If they were in USA, by now they would have met their fate. Rascals of the country, devastating the culture of my country."

ROFL! Interestingly, they attribute feminism to the western world and they also expect feminists to be non-existent and brought to 'justice' in the western world. Sometimes, I wonder why they seem to idolize the western world at the same time resisting the change saying it is western and against 'our culture'. Perhaps, it is our culture to be corrupt and being rascals?

"if you notice, population increased highly after sometime, this IPC498a is enacted by legislation. Main reason, marital discord between men and women. women were not capable of earning, but learn about this law by parents for their selfish reasons. Men being not happy with his marrid wife, he is always under 498a threat, wisdom got lost. The men who are in threat are greatly public servants, social ppl, highly educated, scientists in urban areas participating infrastructure design for the country. what happens when these ppl. are not healthy in living? That naturally gets affected on the rural areas. No proper planning, infrastructure got affected, wisdom got lost and the country led to 48% poverty level now(eating one meal in a day)."

Just how flawed is this guy's thinking. He is blaming one law for everything going wrong in this country! It is incredible that men are considered to be good at logic and reasoning! I mean, look at this guy reasoning. Whatever he may be, he definitely is not teaching 'Logic and Reasoning' to some maths graduates somewhere, that's for sure!

"Britishers who directly ruled India are far better than these ppl, who have already poisoned the society."

You know who makes this statement more often than not? RSS. About the congress governments that ruled India for the majority of our independent lifetime. Listening to the same view put forth by this guy made my suspicion that this person is coming from an RSS grooming stronger. Not that it wasn't already evident in their blatant misogynism and anti-feminist tirades but there are some statements that give a very clear view of their background. And this is one of those statements that mark them out. There are several variations of this statement and I have heard them primarily from an RSS source –
"We were better off under british rule. I wish we were never freed."
"These people have ruined my country. Thanks to the britishers that we have atleast this much."


This person's comment really brings out the entire thing. Their's is not a movement that seeks to make amends to an unjust law but to maintain what they call "Indian culture" (or what they perceive to it to be), which is basically the patriarchal world where the women are uneducated, ignorant, and subordinate. Their's is a movement that seeks to wage a bigger war, a war against feminism, against liberty, against radical movement that seeks to eliminate injustice.

I believe that today's radicals would be tomorrow's liberals and today's liberals would be tomorrow's conservatives. Change is the only constant in this world and there is no way the right wing is going to succeed in its anti-change, status quo agenda. It is simply not possible! So, here's to a better world!

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PS. Two things.
1. you are not going to get free publicity on this blog. So all posts with links to places like 'harassed husbands' will be deleted.
2. If you have something reasonable to say, say it. Dissent is not unwelcome but posts discussed above are NOT welcome. They will get deleted.

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Thirdly, Before you jump up and post something, re-read my post. Try to see exactly what I am criticizing and then, if you have a counter-point, say it.
An example of something that is not a counter-point is arguing that there are cases where the law is misused.
If you still persist in inane comments that give me the impression that you havnt read the post, I will ignore (or delete it if I consider it fall under the above two categories) your comment.

159 comments:

Unik said...

Very interesting, very true & enlightening. However, if you don't mind me asking...what is the deeper frustration? Only one-by-one can we work to improve these circumstances.

Bharat said...
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MadHat said...

Unik,
There is no deeper frustration. I am just amused...

sridharan said...
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rajeev said...
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Anonymous said...

do you think cases like these are JUST few in Urban India:

http://www.ibnlive.com/article.php?id=5472§ion_id=3#

deepika

karthika said...

This is not a rare incident, to protect your mother or father for your siblings wrong spousal marriage:

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=170603

valli said...
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Anonymous said...

quote:"You know who makes this statement more often than not? RSS. About the congress governments that ruled India for the majority of our independent lifetime."...

don't imagine things. look at my comment, where it is generated from. I am in USA, 1992 IIT madras batch.

MadHat said...

valli, read this.

http://www.unicef.org/newsline/00pr17.htm

"In India, it is estimated that more than 5,000 women are killed each year because their in-laws consider their dowries inadequate. A tiny percentage of their murderers are brought to justice."

And you have 1800 poeple statistics? :O

MadHat said...

Anon,
RSS works in really insidious ways. I know that. Recently, their partner organisations were involved in an attempt to rewrite textbooks in California

btw, congrats for being an IIT Madras grad and for being in the US of A. Looks like you escaped the law. :P

MadHat said...

Sridharan,
Your point being?

Anonymous said...

apurva,
you meant, a person who is in states escaped justice/law, and in India can't...

you meant USA doesn't have enough laws to deal with D.V. and need 498a??

lalit said...
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MadHat said...

Lalit said,

"There are large scale lies that are propagated about India's women and bride burning.

In reality, only 6250 women die/commit suicide due to husband/his relatives and more than 8000 men die/commit suicide due to wife/her relatives/her paramour.

A gender feminist called Shabana Azmi who is also a member of parliament states:
“more than eight out of ten men commit violence against wives.”

Guys, it is a global propaganda war designed towards destrying societies all over the world by this dangerous cult."

If you do not stop linking to your sites, I will delete you entire posts.

And just saying its a global propoganda war does not prove anything.
May I have the source for your statistics?

MadHat said...

Anon,
Think before you speak, will you? I am really starting to wonder whether there is a problem with your comprehension. So, to make it clearer, I remind you that I said '... the law'

Jaya talked about relevance. I have to say the same thing here. Go back and see if my post talks about the fairness/unfairness of the law.
If you still dont understand what I am trying to say, I suggest that you go somewhere else because all future such comments would be ignored/deleted. I want the discussion to focus on what I wrote and I think that is a very fair and reasonable.

Anonymous said...

this is a set of statistics showing men's suicide rates..

http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1821/18210960.htm

do not you believe this??

Satya said...
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MadHat said...

Anon,
I still dont see your point. Some excerpts from the article.
Nowhere in the artilce does it say that men are being driven to suicide because of their wifes/relatives.
So, not only is it not relevant, it also seems to suggest that divorceis good for women (lower suicide rates of divorced/separated/widowed)! :D

MadHat said...

Satya's post has been deleted because it was not relevant and he linked to his partner sites that I do not approve of.

If you guys continue posting without reading the post and the rules mentioned at the bottom of the post, I will have to turn on comment moderation.

Satya said...

Apurva,

It is discouraging to see that you do not want to open your eyes and see the news and the truth.

Where else would you see the collection of news published related to the news related to 498a.
Pointing you to the news section of the site cannot be termed as linking to the 'partner sites'.

There is something called 'editing'. My comment had lot more than the link and it had relevant questions for you to reflect on.

- Satya

MadHat said...

Dear Satya,
If you are not willing to listen to what I have said in the post and about relevance in one of my previous comments, you should refrain from posting your comments here.
What are you asking me to open my eyes to? That misuse of the law happens? If so, please go back read the last few lines of the post where I have mentioned what is and what is not relevant to what I have written.

Satya said...

Apurva,

I read your article. You have dissected the comments of various people who have written on Jaya's blog.

There are different types of people. Some write balanced views, and some do not. You have referred to my first (not actually first) comment on Jaya's blog. I asked about her (and your) stand on such a law which gives sweeping power to wife/daughter-in-law.

As I asked Jaya, and asking you, what is your stand on misuse of this law. This is not a simple law, this law assumes the accused to be guilty until proven innocent (which you will not find in any other law anywhere in the world).

If you are saying that misuse of law is common so what's the cry for? Then think again. Ponder about the question: someone, somewhere took dowry, why do I pay for that? I did not take dowry, I condemn dowry but still I have been threatened about this.

Is this relevant for your post?

- Satya
- Satya

MadHat said...

*totally amused*

Simmer down, Satya. Take a deep breath. Try reading the entire thing with a clear mind and no presumptions. And even then you think the same thoughts as you are thinking now, close the window and never come back.

To give you a small example of what I mean...
I say "misuse of the law happens" but you read it as "misuse of the law is common"
See the difference?

Swarup said...
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Anjali said...

Swarup your comment :-

:There is no Place of Modern Sita , Modern Ram , Modern Laxman !!"

- Why people want to be a honest , let them became a criminal , because a criminal does not get punishment in india , check the court record , how many criminal got 498A and thier parents send to jail , you will understand .

I have done the mistake to teach my son , that he should be a honest person and send him in US after completing the degree a reputed Engineering college , that is the reason today his wives send us in jail , if i have teach him , that he should be a Criminal , i am sure no one would have dare to send us in jail without any small investigation.

I have seen rapist age old parents , hope they have not gone to jail !!

I have seen terrorist age old parents .. hope they have not goen to jail ..

But here is a mother gone to jail , as his son does not agree to live his parents on the insteraction of his wives .

So , swarup your question will be unanswered .

-
A mother

Madhu said...

In India some dishonest people had spoiled the real good work of fenisim , as a result , today India also wittness of huge crime activity .

This is a reality , and all the women orginasation including NCW should understand this , otherwise , there will be more harm to Indian women only , if they only teach to hate men .

Every one should take the equall responsibility , especially working women , to support others , but not to degrade themself for the shake of fenisim .

Prathiva said...

deleting the comment itself shows the difference .

Anonymous said...

Apurva,

Indian Legal system really sucks. They let the murderers go scot free where as innocent people are totured often without evidence, investigation or even trial.

Unfortunately, the dowry law misuse attacked the most aware sections of the society. Some of the famous people who have faced abuse of false dowry cases include Chetan Chauhan, Nirupa Roy(mother of Deewar fame), Haryana Chief minister Hooda, his son, his wife, daughter.

Media fears a severe backlash against women empowerment if it publishes too many of these misuse stories. Now people who are suffering may have lost faith with the country, law, constitution and even the media. Now, in that situation, how logical it is to expect balanced behaviour from them ? When a person sees his innocent parents and even sisters get jailed for being principled, what will he do ? He will do the same what the guy in Machchis Movie did. He will collect people have gone through similar sufferings.

To make matters worse, the women's organisations made it a man vs women issue and wanted the law to be the way it is.

Now, how the hell a civilised society arrest people without evidence, without investigation ?

If a man is showing the proof that he has not taken dowry and he has not harassed the woman, then the police must let him and his family go. But, looks like it is not OK for feminists.

These people whom you call bullies may be feeling the feminists and media as bullies. So, they must be feeling that when they are facing the bullying by others, then why not they should also bully.

May be these guys do not feel that a balanced approach may not work and its the bullying, muscle and jungle law that works in this country......

If they are really bothered about their image and what others will think about them, then would they behave this way ?

Most probably, they are doing all this deliberately.

What do you say ??

Swarup said...

Yes my dear

we must see the difference , because , today some people refuse to be blind by feminsit and some of the example as under ( PROVIDED THE BLOGER ALLOW OTHERS TO SEE ) :-

Newspaper Reports (if you do not believe us, here are facts)
TIMESOFINDIA: Bollywood Godmother Nirupa Roy, brutally Slandered before her death with a Dowry Case by her Daughter-in-law. THEHINDU: Parents Commit Suicide due to torture after Daughter-in-law files False Case. HORRIBLE: THREE-year-old GIRL ended up in jail because of False Dowry Case !! BBC: Domestic Violence against Men by Women is also equal in West. TIMES OF INDIA: Battered Husbands TIMES OF INDIA: In Bangalore Techies are at Receiving end of Harassment by Wives and in-laws TIMES OF INDIA: Check Dowry Law Misuse by Women: High Court TIMES OF INDIA: Domestic abuse Bill: Men deserve protection too INDIAINFO: Dowry harassment of men! EXPRESSINDIA: Battered husbands seek justice STATESMAN: If woman shows a bit patience.... STATESMAN: Man Commits Suicide not being able to bear false case by his wife STATESMAN: When Men are Victimised by Women STATESMAN: Wife Kills Husband for not meeting her Dowry Demands TRIBUEINDIA: Domestic Violence by Women Against Men in other parts of world TRIBUNEINDIA: Only one out of six dowry complaints genuine TELEGRAPH: Man Falsely accused by in-laws of Dowry Death of wife, jailed and separated from his child I got my wife ‘SKODA’ car and she told me PODA (go), and Puts Dowry Case REDIFF: Hope for Victimised Husbands TRIBUNE INDIA: Dowry Act-scared parents disown sons HINDUSTAN TIMES: Raped girl arrested on dowry torture charges THE HINDU: Parents Kill themselves being Harassed by Daughter-in-law filing False Dowry Case INIDIAN EXPRESS: Daughter elops, her father puts False Dowry Death Case on Her Husband for Money. EXPRESSINDIA: False Dowry Cases Are Used to improve Crime against women statistics EXPRESSINDIA: Delhi HC wants dowry offences to be bailable TRIBUNEINDIA: Coming to rescue of harassed husbands TIMES OF INDIA: Murder of a Techie, Fiancee held for Intel staffer's murder in Bangalore TAIPEI TIMES: Even CHINESE know about abuse of India's anti-dowry laws BBC: Even Chairperson of the National Commission for Women (NCW) acknowledges the misuse of dowry laws. IRANDOKHT: Even IRANIANs know about False Dowry Cases in India. TELEGRAPH: Marital Woes of Men in Orissa TRIBUNEINDIA: Women mis(using) laws to get even? IMDIVERSITY: Some Indian men living in the West have been falsely accused TELEGRAPH: Do men also need special laws for protection? TIMESOFINDIA: Gee! It’s harassed men’s turn to come crying JAMAICAOBSERVER: Even People in JAMAICA Know how Indian Husbands are Harassed STATESMEN ORISSA: Do women play a role in dowry deaths? One more Man Commits Suicide after False Dowry Case and Torture. NCMONLINE: Indian Husbands Fall Victim to Dowry-Immigration Fraud MID-DAY: Man ends life over false dowry accusation DAILYTIMES: Even Pakistanis know about False dowry cases in India. REDIFF: Of harassed husbands and belligerent brides NRIINTERNET: NRI Husbands From U.S. Fall Victim To Dowry-Immigration Fraud In India TRIBUNEINDIA: In-Laws of the Son drive Father to Suicide. TIMESOFINDIA: False dowry claims: Air hostess in trouble Times of India: Parents are forcing Daughters to Divorce their Husbands for big Alimony. EXPRESS INDIA: Misuse of IPC behind rise in Crime Against Women. Times of India: Sham weddings in Punjab when go wrong become desertion cases. TRIBUNE INDIA: Old women bitten by Daughter-in-law. Haryana Chief Minister Hooda's son gets anticipatory bailk in 498a case. Is the case genuine ? TELEGRAPH: Man Burns himself not being able to bear the torture by wife. HindustanTimes: Husband in UP protests wife's atrocities. Times of India: Newly Weds File for Divorce in 15 Days Hindustan Times: Corrupt Wife Kills Army Colonel. Tribune India: Court Declares terror CAW cells Illegal. Tribune India: If Men Can be Aggressive, Women Can be Subversive. APA.ORG: Does Data on Domestic Violence tell only one part of the story ? Deccan Herald: Sub Inspector rescues Battered Husband in Bangalore Deccan Herald: Consolation for Gentle Men in Distress. World Health Organisation (WHO) Report: In India, Women Abuse Elders (in-laws) by False Dowry Cases. Tribune India: Police told to be sensitive as many Familes Commit Suicide in False Dowry Cases. Another Step to Kill the Institution of Indian Marriage System - Part -2 .Kolkata High Court - Try to Stop the Blackmailing and Extortion of Money By Modern Surpanakhas with the Blood Cancer Virus 498A and anti Dowry LAW . HELP LINE FOR HARASSED HUSBANDS & FAMILIES .Indian Old Parents and Pregnant Sisters in JAIL? . Is this what we get from the Institution of marriage in India ? .Increasingly, men find themselves at the receiving end of abuse and torture by the women they once loved. Women's commission and NCW high authorities go live on TV and suggest that a Girl should file false case of harassment !!! . Are we looking for this situation in India?? - Proposed Domestic Violence Bill !! .Now all Modern Ravans will get exposed . "What if I am tortured by my daughter-in-law" - Suicide noteApril 28th, 2005 by Angsuman .Is Lee done the Mistake by respecting the Anti Dowry LAW ?? .Legal first wife is likely to be cheated - Proposed Domestic Violence Bill !! .Western Women finds their true Love in India Men!!!!! .Money can't buy you love. - Legal Terrorism In India . Sowry Harassment – The new Bane of Indian Society .The Hindu : Anti-dowry law: Helpline for `harassed husbands' .moviemazaa.com - Another Step to Kill the Institution of Indian ... Dowry Deaths and Helpline for Victimised Husbands in Bangalore !! .India Together: Anti-dowry legislation destined to fail - Manushi ... Anti-dowry laws are ineffective- The Times of India .Anti-Dowry Laws: Tools of Justice, or Instruments of Blackmail ? . STOP misuse of Dowry Law. Check dowry law misuse by women: HC- The Times of India .The Telegraph - Calcutta : Nation . The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Haryana . smartbahu.com - Save Child abuse under Single Parenting System. Save Indian Family Foundation » Suicide Statistics Dowry: Stop Child abuse under Single Parenting System moviemazaa.com - This is Feminism or Legal Terrorism??

Mahesh said...

Your coment :-

"Look how quickly they make the connection between divorce and the power given to women by the law. It is connection that is neither substantiated nor correct! "

- Will you tell me how many divorce had achieved without 498A ??
or
you would like to say ,to get the divorce , women should misuse the 498A and send thier all realtive behind the bar and blackamil them ??

Who had stopped them to file the divorce case , if they are not happy with thier husabnd and earn by them self ??

_ Check the different court judgement , or if you think that you have seen more cases than those judges of supremecourt , sorry , no comment .

Criminal law for givign the punishment , not for earning the money .

Will you return those money had been exchanged in all previous false 498A case ??

Regards
Mahseh Tiwari
Adovacte Delhi

MadHat said...

This is what Swarup said,
"It is once again proved those feminist had really make blind the people and want to keep us in 16 th century , as they do not want or allow us to come in 21st century , so that they can earn the free lince to do the legal terrorism in india.

As a results , the suffers suffers more , poor became poorer .. and criminal move in the society with a a proud .

To the blogger ??

What is the problem a law on crime based ?? Let who ever does it , the punishment should be same !!

In the question of feminism , if any one does good work all will support and in the name of fenisim if any one ant to do the terrorist activity .. who is responsible ??

Now the auestion to bloger and your so called friends ,

Is this fenisim or Legal terrorism ??

As per Supreme court of India , misuse of 498A is a legal terrorism and the hoophole should be corrected to prevent harrasement to innocnet people , which i think your frined jaya or you never ever able to see , as feminist had been made us so blind to see the reality .. there is nothing to term wrong or right , SIF volenter just make the awareness to expose the people who take the double standard and kill our age old parents ( they never see the WHO reposts of elder abuse ) , kill our unborn child for the shake of money ..

Any criminal law should to punish the criminal , the same should not be used for earnign the money by dishonest way .

At last as a blogger , deleting the coment , which jaya does regulerly , had been exposed through another baolg .

Let the whole world decided , what is wrong and waht is right and decided they want fenisim or gender equality !!!

This is my question to NCW , till date no answer , all are hiding thier face :-

We have seen and observed a lot of Feminist activity in India and the meanning of the Feminism in India as under :-



Feminism means Whole Sale Free Lincence of Adultrity Relationship.



Feminism means Whole Sale Free Lincence to grab the Husband Money by Legal Terrorism .



Feminism Means Whole Sale Free Lincence for Killing the Child .



Feminisam Means Whole Sale Free Lincence for refuse to give the Child Mother Milk .



Feminism menas forcing a Child to Grow under Single parenting System .



Feminisam means Elder abuse – sending age old , sick Parents out of house .



Feminism means sending Child and Pregent Sister to the jail without any Investigation .



Feminism means to make the Institution of Marriage to a legal Postitution ( Live in relationshp )



Feminism means to hide the actual truth . … like that a lot more are there!!



Yes so we asked to our sister , mother and daughter to say " No to Feminism " , we want to say " Gender Equality ".



Yes we appele to all IIT,IIM ,IT and honest Industry People to Say " No to Domestic Violence Bill" , We want " Domestic Harmoney Bill " to stop the legal Terrorism . Because today it seems our Government and LAW maker had allready Sold them self in the Hand of Modern Suparnaks and Modern Ravans .



There is no Place of Modern Sita , Modern Ram , Modern Laxman !!



Now the writer and all other who says this is Silly , let them say what they want !!"

Sadly, blogger does not gie me the power to edit his post (only to remove his link).

MadHat said...

You know I am very, very amused.
Not very unlike the reaction that I expected.
Thank you all for increasing the traffic on my humble blog.
I wonder how you came here. Oh! Thats right, somebody posted on your yahoo group to come here and spew your venom, right?

did you guys even care to understand the essence of the post? no!

and this will be last time I will reproduce any post with a link in it (no free publicity here for you). The next time, I wont even consider the length you write. The comment will just be deleted and thats that!

MadHat said...

To put to rest all the speculations regarding where I stand on the issue --

Misuse of 498A - much ado about nothing?
By Bikram Jeet Batra is Legal Officer at Amnesty International India.

Some choice quotes --

The Minister of State for Home Affairs, Shri I.D Swami stated,

“There is no information available with the Government to come to the conclusion that many families in India are suffering due to exaggerated allegations of harassment and dowry cases made by women against their husbands and other family members involving them in criminal misappropriation and cruelty.”

-------------------
and
" At the same time, cases of abuse of section 498A cannot be ruled out. Reports of the police requiring an element of dowry to the complaints are common as are reports of lawyers and victims/complainants exaggerating the matter and bringing in more members of the husband’s family within the complaint. However, all laws are capable of and subject to abuse and misuse – including Section 498A. The solution does not lie in dismissing the law or taking away its teeth completely by making it compoundable and bailable. This is akin to throwing away the baby with the bathwater."

Thats it. Any more comments that completely unrelated to my original blog post would be ignored.

Anonymous said...

Apurva

I want to thank you for such a brave attempt on your part to show the true face of these males who have taken things as low as they could and left if it with no dignity.

My earnest request to you is to ignore them...they are nothing but liars and liars who have no proof whatsoever.

The way they behave doesn't justify an innocent persons behaviour as is so apparent from their aggressiveness and irate language they use on blogs .
Its so obvious how they must have harshly treated their spouses in practical life that has rightly landed them in trouble.

Also they cannot see if any women who has the audacity to come out in the open and speak a decent person's language or that which reflects freedom.

But mind you they are very smart..how?? they want IITans to support them..as that will give their actual anti women(or gender equality farce) activity a polished look.

ignore these fibbers

All the best

Anonymous said...

HATS of to you Apurva..I was beginning to think that all men somehow are going to adapt to these fanatic ideas.
U stood till the end and faced them like a very strong honest HUMAN BEING with the right values and correct facts.

These days everywhere I see them promoting the misuse of 498a ..but these (un)educated(i mean in the literal sense) dont realize that they are instead advertising it all over the place.

NOw even this blog, first i noticed it in Jaya's blog they were like 'katrinas'.

Btw..the women who you may think are supporting them are not real...rather sisters(real supranakas) of these Duryodanas that are plenty around these blogs.
Little do they realize that they can be 100 or 1000...for there is a Yudhistra to take care of them.

Thousands of women in india from villages are killed for dowry and this trend is all over gaining pace in urban (like the late 80s and early90s)again in a new fashion. ie to demand dowry in installments.
Their impertinence shall continue from their side coz thats what they are best at.

And the links they provide about supreme court judgement etc are trash...they are one off statements and not even true in the first place.
Deepa

Anonymous said...

dowry == 498a

prove this is not Context grammar? or regular expression related to (q,delta);

Satya said...

Apurva/Deepa/Jaya,

You may very well delete my comments.

Now, I sincerely wish that you or your very dear one faces the wrath of 498a. That is probably the only way you would know why I am trying to create awareness.

- Satya

Anonymous said...

Yes, I too wish you and more people who dont take things seriously should (and would) face 498a in life in some form. You people think since this did not happen to you it is other peoples problem. this is the problem with mindset if you smell anything is wrong and law is wrongly constituted one should oppose rather taking a blind look at it. Soon you are going to get implicated by 498a (I wish too)

Rahul

Anonymous said...

If i ever get implicated in 498a , i will take it as my past karma settlment.
Whenver I do get implicated, i will not come to you guys, thats for sure.

If we agree with u then nice...and we we dont or have some other view..u guys call us feminists and curse us and better still u cry.

There are more important issues to be dealt it than u greeedy dowry seekers, money crazy people.

And ya, if ur innocent then try to restore your actions, proove, go serve some destitute women who is the victim of dowry and help her out. Actions speak louder than words...but you guys will not do that becasuse you yourself are dowry demanders. HOw can you guys go against your dowry demanding brothers??

Simple example: women who can bear children, adopt other chidren,- similarly go help a real dowry women victim and proove it.
Go help that father whose daughter was burnt alive..how do you think that feels(ever burnt a finger), ever lost a grwon up child over money.

For one second lets assume you are innocent(crap), the reason your 'll got implicated must be coz of the past actions of your ancestors who took and enjoyed dowry mercileslsy killing , tourturing the victim-women and her parents.
If your a innocent then wait...moral justice will be done.

The only mistake your'll did that you married an urban woman who raised the issue and filed a case.
YOu guys want an woking women , and she should not raise her voice if injustice is done. too much.
Great going Apurva, congratulations....atlast they cursed us like loosers.

Divya

MadHat said...

oh guys! Dont go! Who will provide me the entertainment that you so generously were providing me!

Anon, Deepa, Divya - Thanks for all the support. And anon, you are right. They are smart, I will give them that but they do not seem to realise that everytime they go on a full blown attack like they did here (and at Jaya's blog), they reveal themselves (It is inevitable) and repulse all concerned.
Deepa - Yes, all men are not like them. There are some like me too.

And Satya, I will not delete your comments. Those I will keep for posterity. Let all who visit this blog read them and decide for themselves. Let me say that your words and the impression you have made on this blog does not bode well for you.

"dowry == 498a

prove this is not Context grammar? or regular expression related to (q,delta); "


Anon, uh? Do you even know what you are talking about? using jargon without knowing what they really are tell us a lot about you.

Bharati said...

Apurva,
It is sad that many men realise only after they hit with a false case how easy and how this law is misused. Have you talked to any man who is in such case. We haven't found anyone in false cases who does not agree with us. If you get in false cases you will turn to us as have many people in past
I am surprised that you feel there is agression. I think the opposite is true. There is too much passivity in these false accused people Nobody has yet taken morcha against 498a women for filing false cases demanding that they be jailed.

where as on the other side the womens organisations are all for jailing innocent men , elderly parents and their unconnected relatives .
They have structured the law in such a way that even absence of evidence the cases would go on only on complaint which is not so of other IPCs. ( This is something people like you do not comprehend )
Finally regarding sucide statistics if the rate of sucide between married men and unmarried men is different then clearly the differential has to be attributed to wifes and that is how the figure of 23000 men being driven to suicide comes to man. MEn do not complain and that is why they leave no sucide notes.
Men are aware that counsellers will not listen to them and will always try to blame them that is why they do not approach counsellers but they approach do approach SIF. Becuase the typicall approach of many is is to purely dismiss any concern of men as of no consequence simiular albeit unsuccessfully
SIF gets almost 30-40 complaint of abuse by wives every week in spite of very little visibility and inpsite of general unawareness of people on existence of helplines for men .
This is higher then complaints received by any other NGOs

Like it or not SIF is a response to the uncaring attitude built towards the husbands and the general view point of blaming men for all the marriages.

Of course I cannot but quote justice saldhana that 44% of the cases are throughly unprosecutable through the study done by karnataka high court. and there are many more which are false.

Of course as mentioned we do not delete any comments from our blogs unless they contain swear words . Deletion of commetns shows that the blogger is unable to logically argue the points.

of course regarding IITians etc. being iitian myself I suppose There is a suport from iitians to this cause .It will tkae some time before it will seep in genral conciousness since the massive misuseof dowry laws is 10 year old phenomenon which really got boosted in last 5 years

The newer generation has yet to marry and learn reality of the marriage though it does not reach extremes.Theres a saying Every body is sympathetic to others wifes untill one gets married then they are afraid to be unsympathetic to others wives

The vehnemence of SIFians is becuase inpsite of not haveing anything to do with dowry they were dragged in not such cases and if you say it is an exception hen one does not get that they were treated as an exception.
There is no point in blaming dowry or Dowry deaths on SIFians neither they have no part in dowry .

But defnitely women organisations have to take the blame for the suffering of the SIFIans their elderly parents, their suisters have been jailed becuase the law is made such that they have to be jailed on mere complaint and such is done on the pressure of women;s organisations

Bharati said...

I suppose your idea of entertainement is men being beaten up is star news video of man being beaten by his wife is available speaicaly

I also have scar on areas of knee and one somewhat above and one near the eyes avarting a smooth flow of boiling Rasam

Sounds hilarious
Even to me it does but I would statutarily warn you not to try it on yourself to make your life funny becuase contact of boiling rasam on cheek skins burns the skins
Hope I have made your day telling you some funny story

Swarup said...
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Swarup said...

Some one commented :-

"Deepa - Yes, all men are not like them. There are some like me too."'

- yes we agree with you , as Modern Ravans are slo in this society , who treated their daughter , sister as a comodity and use the same to earn the money in dishonest way , for that they are ready to kill thier own daughter , own sister also .

Otherwise , how they can justify the sending the age old parents , pregent sister , small children , behind the bar , and forthat , there should not be any small evidecne , only a daughter in law own statement is sufficient !!!!

Great , but my dear , NCW does not understand this , as per them all the 600 million men are rapist and all the 600 woem are sati sabtri .. will you tell this to NCW , all men are not like that ??

Great joke .... people will understand supporting age old parents , pregent sister , small childern behind the bar ... is he really a men or some thing else??

Let the whole world observe ... the real legal terrorism in india and the so called 498A girls and thier family ....

Mahesh said...

Your coment :-

"oh guys! Dont go! Who will provide me the entertainment that you so generously were providing me!"

- Yes you people get the entertainment , when a age old parents go to jail , and for that no evidence is required ( and for that enterment only this 498A had been made ) , which i think you are not aware , if you have all the evidence including video , bank statement .. still the case to be registered and then next 5 to 20 years dependning on the power of opposite laywer and money power , you evidence will be considered in the court .. this is the beauty of 498A !!!

Otherwise , in IPC extrotion , balckmailling , attempet to murder .. all are there , but for that you need some small evidence before register the case , which is not applicable in 498A , and for your kind information in case of rape also , there is required some medical examination ..

So do you all thing rape is a better crime than asking money to some one ?? Then when a son or his wife ask money or house from their parents , why the same 498A will not be applicable ??

Great .. nice logic to support the terrorist activity in india ...

Mahesh Tiwari
Advocate - Delhi

Swarup said...

Mahseh ji :-

This is a great example :-

• Delhi Court refuses Bail to Sanjay for marring A - 498A Girl.

Mrs. Aparna Gupta , 58 years , a well known Social activist associated with Women rights and Child Well fare for past 20 years . Her two daughters already married. His only Son Sanjay Gupta , 29 Years old and IT Engineer working in IBM , used to believe that the meaning of wife , she should be the best friend .



Then in his Company he came to Know Reena. She had a arranged marriage but the same got in sour and she is fighting the Divorce with her husband and by the help of 498A, able to get a mutual divorce for a settlement of 15 Lacks.

--- next part

Judge asked, Before marrying you Know that Reena had used 498A previously??



Sanjay say “Yes my lord , and we became the best friend for that only , and I had given her all the support , status .”



Judge Says, "I refuse the bail for you as you have troubled to your whole family. How you can say when first time Reena used 498A that was a genuine case and this she filed a 498A against you means this is a fabricated case. This itself proves the Respondent taken the undue advantage of Reena , and used to make mental harassment , which leads to her make Suicide twice (as she mentioned in her petition , with all the witness name ) . Judge ask them sort out the Issue mutually, before granting the bail to Responded and responded family members "

Hope Mahesh ji you have not forget that mother cry .. why she became a social activist !!!!

MadHat said...

sorry swarup, I warned you last time about links. I am not going to reproduce your comment. It stays deleted.

Aishwarya said...

You do realise that once the Save Indian Family guys see you being an evil feminist they'll never let go? The whole pack will descend on your blog, attacking you with repetitive accusations and cringeworthy grammar till you delete every comment they make. Last year I even found myself on an emailed list of Evil Feminist Bloggers. It was terribly gratifying.

Here's a post you might be interested in, actually. The funniest I've read on the subject.
http://roswitha.blogspot.com/2005/07/we-already-have-problems-with.html

Anonymous said...
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Anonymous said...

The guys who got into false 498a cases, do they have to gain anything (if the law is changed to bailable and compoundable) ?

They already got jailed or are facing trial or got acquited or the female's case got quashed in high courts.

So, why these acquited guys are shouting everywhere alongwith those facing trial (when they have nothing to gain for themselves) ?

That is because of their conviction in hypocrisy inherent in Feminism and Media. So, they have got conviction which is comparable to the conviction that feminists have got. Thats why they spend money and personal time to campaign and to warn people against "Collateral Damage" faced by innocents due to political correctness and brainwashing by media.

If one talks in a polite and in a apologetic tone, still s/he will be termed as an MCP. Any person who talks about Misuse of 498a is termed as an MCP whether s/he talks in a balanced tone or in a provocative tone. So, the better way is to use a provocative tone.

Now Apurva, I am sure you will never be able to forget SIF just the way Aishwarya of Bluelullaby is not able to forget. Now, you (like her) are infected with SIF bug and that will convert you slowly over a period of time and you wont be able to help it. You are the newest recruit to SIF and I am sure you will send a lot of friends and relatives who will suffer (in future) from Miscarriage of Justice due to Family laws related to Divorce Settlement, Child Custody, False 498a, False Dowry Harassment Cases, False Harassment at Workplaces cases, False Rape cases.....

I know, feminists who fight with us, do send their loved ones to us when then they face false 498a cases....

Thanks for allowing yourself to be a carrier of the meme 498a.

MadHat said...

Aishwarya (can I call you Aish?),
Thanks for the link. I read Roswitha's post and your's too and the comments on the post too. Must say that I am very, very impressed by her humour. I laughed out loud! She really has a talent :)

As for me, I am too serious to be humourous (silly old me) but right now, I am having great fun. And do you think this is the first time I have showed the red flag before such fanatics?

Anonymous said...

Most Indian men (especially youngsters in IITs) are starved of female attention. Such sex startved men will go great lengths to seek the attention.

Patriarchy in India makes women market themselves heavily, keeping the supply down. Thats how they can sell themselves at premium rate.

Thats the reason why females writing catblogs with no content at all get 85% of all hits in Indian Blogosphere.

Anonymous said...

As rightly pointed out by Ash ‘The whole pack will descend on your blog, attacking you with repetitive accusations and cringe worthy grammar” .
Even if they went to hindi medium schools I know that in 10thstd main language paper there is a question “reference to context and explain” . So swarup and satya (on my god) and that big respected person advocate maheshjijijiji (who does not forget to type his signature), stick to high school education and its ways.

So these fanatics and radicals when you quote and send mails…send the whole stuff and stick to reference to context only. Swarup you quoted “Swarup said... Some one commented :-"Deepa - Yes, all men are not like them. There are some like me too."'………..when Apurva said this , he was right and is in very simple layman language it means (if you read the whole comment and previous ones) that he is a good unbiased sensible human being rooted to earth with right values.

If this is the way you behave on blogs and those trashy mails of yours are so aggressive(mostly unedited, cut ,copy , paste—atleast improvise on those regularly so we readers can get something new), I wonder how you treat your wives, beating them up and as your full of road side language n culture.

When anyone blogs his/her seriousness is judged the on how original his ideas/words are….not cut , copy, paste that you goons are experts in and stealing the work of others.
Mahesh you call yourself a lawyer, I have seen your comments and language, conning yourself to be a lawyer huh?? Even when you decide to con, atleast learn to speak a lawyer’s language first and not be a mere expert in pompously pasting the said signature.
Go create your ruckus someplace else.

Oh God please save us from these ravans, duryodana and modern day monsters.

Congrats apurva, anon, jaya, deepa, ash and other sensible human beings in sucessfully facing these baboons

Sapna M

Anonymous said...

Hi Apurva

I am a moderator of one of the yahoogroups that this swarup/goons sends mails to very often. Ofcourse I never let it reach the goups inbox as it’s a nuisance in language best understood by him and his goons, but every once a while when I need to hype up my members I post his forward to cheer us all up…Hahaa.
He has this knack that will make him a good soap opera writer because he loves to misrepresent facts, create misunderstdgs, distort facts and create trouble thus paving way from many more never ending episodes. You know in these “k” episodes any actor while eavesdropping will hear only one sentence and jump to conclusions thus…the mess. The actor never hears the whole truth/sentence(because if he does then the soap will come to an end) therefore the writer has to misrepresent and create misunderstdgs.

As rightly pointed out by Ash ‘The whole pack will descend on your blog, attacking you with repetitive accusations and cringe worthy grammar” .
Even if they went to hindi medium schools I know that in 10thstd main language paper there is a question “reference to context and explain” . So swarup and satya (on my god) and that big respected person advocate maheshjijijiji (who does not forget to type his signature), stick to high school education and its ways.

So these fanatics and radicals when you quote and send mails…send the whole stuff and stick to reference to context only. Swarup you quoted “Swarup said... Some one commented :-"Deepa - Yes, all men are not like them. There are some like me too."'………..when Apurva said this , he was right and is in very simple layman language it means (if you read the whole comment and previous ones) that he is a good unbiased sensible human being rooted to earth with right values.

If this is the way you behave on blogs and those trashy mails of yours are so aggressive(mostly unedited, cut ,copy , paste—atleast improvise on those regularly so we readers can get something new), I wonder how you treat your wives, beating them up and as your full of road side language n culture.

When anyone blogs his/her seriousness is judged the on how original his ideas/words are….not cut , copy, paste that you goons are experts in and stealing the work of others.
Mahesh you call yourself a lawyer, I have seen your comments and language, conning yourself to be a lawyer huh?? Even when you decide to con, atleast learn to speak a lawyer’s language first and not be a mere expert in pompously pasting the said signature.
Go create your ruckus someplace else.

Oh God please save us from these ravans, duryodana and modern day monsters.
Baboons

neha vish said...

These SIF pseudo-goons just crack me up. Really. :)

Anonymous said...

Hi Apurva and Jaya

Ditto ditto

See there are classes of people on earth Man, Women, eunuchs,and the latest inclusions gays and lesbians(as they too can marry legally in many countries).

There are 2 types of Gays:
Type 1) one who accepts he is a gay and loves being one. He yet lives a normal happy life.
Type 2) one who just realised that he is a gay but does not want to accept it ever. Besause he is a gay and he logically demands demands dowry from his wife like a gay pimp thinking its normal but hold behold the wife realises something is wrong(as she knows best). It hits him when his wife leaves him as he now feels his wife knows the truth. Indian men live in a conservative society where being a gay is not accepted and real men belittle them that hurts their ego. So they are yet in DENIAL.
These SIF goons or further pseudo goons...are those gays who formed a SIF something and belong to type 2. Its only a coverup for their gay activities. Maybe they think all IIT and IIM and others willaccept their invitations or if not face their wrath like Apurva.

I am fed up of this type 2 gays who send me mails and spam my mailbox an my group.

Apurva I came to know about ur blog after i got one of their forwards in my mailbox(that only the sender knows whom he has addressed to) . Am sure even u must have to it hence those deleted comments above by u.

MadHat said...

"Most Indian men (especially youngsters in IITs) are starved of female attention. Such sex startved men will go great lengths to seek the attention."

Oh yeah! I get a lot of dates and get to meet a lot of women... Perhaps you are jealous of that, you know since your wife left you. :P

Anon (the one just before this post), you are being offensive to gays by calling these people gay. :)

sreedharan said...

anon,
be depth at talking. you seem foolish at your talk. Do you know the amount of humanitarian help we are doing?

If your mother or father never met a woman to which your brother has married and you know police come in a van and take them up for atleast 3 days jail. do you know about this reality happening in India quite common in the last 10 yrs, but spurted high after 2000?
Without knowing truth and pain, do not talk rubbish for atleast senior citizen's sake..Damn.

Anonymous said...

FOOLS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SUFFERING AND HARD WORK OF SINCERE INDIAN PARENTS BRINGING UP THEIR CHILDREN.

THE FOOLS UNDERSTAND ABOUT 498A OR SIF FORMATION WHEN THEIR MOTHER OR FATHER GETS KILLED BY THIS.

Anonymous said...

I want this 498a case gets into this YAHOOGROUP MODERATOR'S (whoever claimed above) family.

I prey god from my inner core conscience to fullfill this.

God! pls. may your karma tilt on this guy's parents (as false 498a)...pls.

This person then knows what is 498a.

Anonymous said...

I know many ignorant women are suffering due to foolish dowry demanders ......I want those rascals, who are involved in this to get suffer in the hands of justice...BUT what I am saying is..498a is not really protecting our innocent sisters who are suffering by dowry. We need to come up with proper design for our complex social structure. It is not proper to jail innocent ppl. for protecting other innocent ppl.

Anonymous said...

IPC 498A - A law to protect some women at the cost of
harming many others

In the article “Till Dowry Do Us Apart” Ms. Purvi
Shah, the executive director of Sakhi, is reported to
have said that she had not met any woman who was a
victim of IPC Section 498A. The reality is that for
every male accused of IPC 498A, there is at least one
woman (his mother or sister) who is implicated in a
crime that never occurred. If there are more women in
the family they too are accused irrespective of their
age, health condition, marital status or their
physical proximity to the complainant. The entire
family is ruthlessly arrested without investigation
and there are no words to describe the financial
hardship and emotional trauma that they have to
endure.

In my own case, I traveled to India along with my
brother in December ’05 to see our father who was on
his deathbed. My brother and I were arrested under a
false complaint lodged by my brother's wife and we
lost our father while we were in police custody. By
the time we were released on bail we were “welcomed”
by a burning funeral pyre. There was neither dowry nor
harassment. My brother’s only fault was to refuse to
continue a relationship with a dishonest, overbearing
and interfering family and a wife who lacked the
individuality and maturity to take charge of her life.
The price for being honest and respectful of one’s
wife and aspiring for a conflict-free life is a false
IPC 498A case.

Most of the so-called “courageous women” who file
these cases are turning out to be just vindictive or
greedy women who are using IPC 498A as a weapon for
destroying their marital homes. We do not need unfair
laws which will “benefit” a woman if she is a
daughter-in-law or wife but harm her if she is a
sister-in-law or mother-in-law. When it is natural for
a woman to simultaneously play all these roles how can
a heavily misused law such as IPC 498A be beneficial
to women in its current form? How can anyone who
believes that “everyone deserves life free of
violence” support this law?

Uma
New York, USA

Anonymous said...

Oh shut up you ravans , duryodanas of today.
Ya Apurva calling them gays is an insult to gays...but these are some specimen of gays that turned out wrong...like EUNUCH-GAYS(2in one). HA

Btw Apurva a guy by the name of swarup has sent your blogaddress to many groups and one of them being mine.

Their agenda is going from blog to blog and promoting themsleves or rather selling.

But you got some publicity too and you have done a wonderful job in beating them ..thus showing your sound upbringing.

And you greedy guys dont ask for pity by saying that your wife put your old mother in jail...because that old mother of yours was demanding dowry too with you, your father, your sister. She is the mother of greedy. Sadly you are supported by your mother,sister who are the biggest takers of dowry. LAW is equal.

Who wants to talk to eunuch-gays??? vomit.

A member of awesomeaishwarya@yahoogroup

Anonymous said...

Uma your story is really filmy and bag if lies.
Like others who go abroad your brother must have asked his wife's father to pay for his ticket(new way of asking dowry).

This is how the end of dowry demanding people takes place that their own children could attend his funeral.

Siiting in USA dont dare comment about India that you have not seen a dowry case ever you blind girl.

God is great and justice of God is the final word.

God bless you Apurva and your family.

Jaya said...

Whoa!! Nobody is spared... I have given up on any hopes and started moderating their comments. Got no more patience.

Bharati said...

of course dears its your blog to delete comments whenever you want or not want to .Its free country but entertainemnt is mutual trying to see you all scrambling trying to find anything reasonable or logical to say and finally deciding that you have nothing to say .
The below points illustrate becuase the pressure of womens organisations have lead to the following
1. Women do not pay equal taxes at same salary levels.
2. It is perfectly legal to harass husbands and drive them to sucide
3. Single men cannot adopt children
4. Child custody is invariably decided against men for no reason other then their gender
5. Adultery is a crime if commited by men but a rewarding option if done by women
6. It is perfectly legal to demand money from husbands not so from wife
7. It is perfectly legal to abuse a husbands mother and sister as long as it done by his wife.
8. It is perfectly legal to force a man to marry a women merely becuase he had physoical relationship under the threat of rape case.
9. It is perfectly legal to hit a husband the star news vedio is testimony to it.
10 It is perfectly legal to demand that some man ( father , brother , husband ) give money to an "abla Nari"

your scrambling to answer people who are basically saying the above nine things is amusing to to say the least

There are more points as well like IIT changing its exam patterns to get in more girls not identify better engineers.

Regarding being right wing . I suppose becuase I belive in free speach , belives, free thoughts , gender equality in law, right of comensation based on effort not as a result of some man ( brother, father or husband providing O

MadHat said...

Ya Apurva calling them gays is an insult to gays...but these are some specimen of gays that turned out wrong...like EUNUCH-GAYS(2in one). HA

I am slightly confused. Are you praising me or calling me names? btw, what is an eunuch-gay? It seems very disrespectful to eunuchs and gays...

Btw Apurva a guy by the name of swarup has sent your blogaddress to many groups and one of them being mine.

I know! I hope it backfires on him and his agenda. Going by the responses on this blog by non-SIF affiliateed people, it looks so. :)

Their agenda is going from blog to blog and promoting themsleves or rather selling.

Sadly, it does not seem to work for them. Hence, the anger/aggression/frustrations/name-calling/etc/etc.

But you got some publicity too and you have done a wonderful job in beating them ..thus showing your sound upbringing.

Thank you. This definitely looks like a compliment. :)

MadHat said...

Jaya Said,
Whoa!! Nobody is spared... I have given up on any hopes and started moderating their comments. Got no more patience.

He he.

Bharati said,
There are more points as well like IIT changing its exam patterns to get in more girls not identify better engineers.

Sheesh! research some more, will ya? They have lowered the fees for the entrance exam and have not changed the exam pattern. btw, how do you change the exam pattern to favour women? I really would like to know your perfectly logical and rational answer to that (and not some tirade about how 498a has caused global warming).

Anonymous said...

Apurva
We are a group of members who have been at end of receiving irate dirty vulgar mails from these clones since 6 months now. The point is when we did not agree to their views , examples, etc they spammed our entire group, blogs and sent us vulgar mails with even more vulgar subject lines that sounded that they were upto some kind of kinky kinky slopy activities amongst themselves.
They did not stop at this as they yet continue with regular junk sent not only to us, but even gov orgs and everyone else as is visible in the address column.

They send us vulgar sex related mails, links, topics on how to eradicate working women , perverted content and more sagas of their kinky mission filled with GAYS.
Since the past 2 days we have got atleast 5 mails from these GAYS(some of which is the same as above comemnts by them)

Warm regards
dreamyeyes_disarmingsmile member

neha vish said...

Apurva,

I'got to commend the fact that you've handled this with so much cool. Having been on their receiving end - they're a bunch of fire-breathing morons whose only knowledge of the world is through 498a'd eyes. The funny thing is I am willing to bet that less than 10% of them are victims of a false case. The rest are just hiding under that larger umbrella.

With that kind of attitude - it's no wonder their wives left them.

Swarup said...

Some one comented :-

"Btw Apurva a guy by the name of swarup has sent your blogaddress to many groups and one of them being mine."

- As a SIF volenter my job to reach each and every house and just say 498A , it is upto them to decided , 498A is wrong or right .

- When supreme court says this legal terrorism .. it is sufficient for me as a SIF volenter .

And for your kind information this blog not only to some yahoo groups , total 2000 jurnalist , 500 MP allready reached .

Today people suffer , because they do not know waht is 498A , no one can belive how this can be misused .. but the reality is totally different .. if any one aant to see came to delhi court , every day this is happening .

yes want our killed child back from our wife , we want the punishment who had baused our age old parents , we want to stop this legal terrorism and at last save the institution of marriage .. it is wrong or right , let the people decided .

The movement Save indian family just started , time will give the answer , as histroy wittness terrorist can not give the freedom , yes they kill the innocent ...

If this the moto , go ahead and kill more and more age old parents , there are some people are their who fight back .

And Neha vishi ,few month back the percentage was 100% victime , but with in six month , the real victim are in SIF volenter group is less than 5% .. total 6 on field orginastion allready working , so do not worry , this should be less than 0.000001% one day , because the truth feminsit can hide for some time not for long time .

I know your are a modern feminist who enjoy all the whole sale free lincence and killed a lot of innocent people , but do not forget , when your own friend , face this 498A , you only first refer the SIF volenter .. so SIF volenters , just do their job , here you will find all the character like mathama , jatin das , bhagahat singh , Netaji ...

On the other hand a large scale Modern Ravan and Supernakhs are there , who dare to brak the judge chair , who support all the whole sale free lincence with out taking any responsibility .

it is upto to them , waht they want violence or harmoney .. other wise the day is not too far ..

When Indian women have to beg for thier child part time father in national highway , forget marriage , they have spend time for just 2 or 3 hours .. the way feminsit have allready done in western country .. and now putting a lot of money to destroy the Indian women future in the name of women well fare .

SIF volenters , just try their small effort to stop this legal terrorism .. there is no force or justification waht is wrong and waht is right .. time will give the answer .

From this blog , people will understand , how some People abuse thier own age old parents , own sister for the sack of their Wives whole sale free lincence . More than 90% husabnd face this every day , but their are few dare to protest this abuse , so the percentage today in SIF voenter list came down from 100% to 5 % and the next target is O.ooooo1% .. MS Neha .. go and tell your all frends , because truth can not be hide too long .

At last Crime is crime and the punishment should be as per crime , the same should not be decided by the religion , sex or caste ...

A Man said...

Yes you all are right !!! Because for a modern supernakh , it is irrelevant that age old parents go to jail , pregent sister go to jail , the child who have not seen the light will be killed , .. because a modern supernakh need all the whole sale free lincence with out taking any resobonsibility .

Swarup said...

Some one comented :-

"We do not need unfair
laws which will “benefit” a woman if she is a
daughter-in-law or wife but harm her if she is a
sister-in-law or mother-in-law."

- A modern supernakhas , modern ravans , want this LAW , otherwise how they will fulfill their demand ??

- And offcourse , gay and other so called .. people does not this LAW , though NCW trying to make a new law .

A lot of blogger and jurnalist , politician have enough money and time for fight for save the life of terrorist like remove of TADA/POTA .. but they does not have any time to save the age old parents , small child under single child , this blog some coment proves that clearly , who ever blindly support all the whole sale free lincence ..

Yes , a lot of people are blind today , but few had aweak up and as a result :- This is mail today in SIF volenters

Hi,
I have told all my friends about my 498a story very OPENLY.I havent
kept any secrets.
My close friend has already decided to marry a Phillipine girl.
He told me that he knows that this Philipine girl who works in his
office is very nice and caring .
So why take risk of marrying a girl from India. As he has seen me and
my parents suffer for no fault of ours.
He proposed this Philipine girl now and she said YES. Congrats to him
for marrying a nice caring girl. Nationality doesnt matter. In fact
this girl is very eager to meet his parents now.

After looking at my experience of FALSE dowry harassment. A lot of my
other friends are open to marry a non-indian girl.


Suresh
for more chack this :-

Western Women finds their true Love in India Men!!!!!
A lot of NRI and well educated IIT, IIM, IT and Business Men’s are really reluctant to marry a Indian Girl , due do huge misuse of Anti dowry Law , 498A .

On the other had a lot of Western Women find their sole mate to the Indian Men, as per them the Indian Men are very much committed to their relationship compared to their own country people. As western women, they believe in hard working, earning for them self instead of depending on Husband property, Money, but in return they find it very difficult to find the true love. The marriage rate in US is less than 50 %, in Ireland less than 2 %. They even used to beg to their men for a live together, forget any marriage. They have to beg to men for a part time father for their Children.

So the question is , are Indian men ready to marry the western women ??

Anjali said...

Ya Apurva calling them gays is an insult to gays...but these are some specimen of gays that turned out wrong...like EUNUCH-GAYS(2in one). HA


- Yes a gay does not brother thier age old parents go to jail or hell , they does not brother their child get killed or not ..

So dear Apurva , you are right , thsoe support this 498A , is basically gay or worse than that ..

We have no dought !!!

Just wash your face , it looks very very ugly my dear ...I have strong dought those mothers who had given birth such type of son .. that they deserve to go to jail , as their son and his wife can not stay together !!!

Great Apurva and your friends , i am very very proud for your mother , and do not worry , very soon a lot of Apurva you will find in this country , who can rape their mother to please their wives , they way feminsit in western country claims that more than 60% father rape their daughter !! Hope we will get such type of news very soon in India , as swarup ponted out very nicely for you people :-
"Yes you people get the entertainment , when a age old parents go to jail , and
for that no evidence is required ( and for that enterment only this 498A had
been made ) , which i think you are not aware , if you have all the evidence
including video , bank statement .. still the case to be registered and then
next 5 to 20 years dependning on the power of opposite laywer and money power ,
you evidence will be considered in the court .. this is the beauty of 498A !!!"

adi said...

everybody agrees that there are some misuse of 498A.
so why they resist any change in that law which may close these loopholes?
even POTA was withdrawn when they found that it could be mis-used.
so why not 498A?

Deepkia said...

If this 498A changed , then how the NCW and thier supporter will earn the money in dishonest way ??

Ashok said...

Now a days , a lot of people intentinetily blog the message to thier yahoo group , as they can not hide the truth , that is the reason they not allow to reach the message to members e mail and come to this blog by hiding the indentity .

This it self show the difference , how those people are doing and promotiong the legal terrorism in india ...

This 498A will not be changed , otherwise their whole group will be exposed in the society , so let this 498A stay to kill more and more innconent people , and the real sufferer get killed in dirty way , let more and more rape continue , let more and more crime increse .. Great thinking to those supporter of 498A

Dhan Singh said...

I am a retired defence personnel, my elder son is serving the nation, he is in
Border Security Force, here I am living with my younger son along with his
family, apart from this my elder son family is also with us.

Iam facing a problem from last 8 to 9 years , my elder daughter in Law and his
family members are abusing me and threatend me to register a case against me ,
as Iam 63+ yrs, they are saying me to register the my own house in her name, and
she also threatend us that she will make suicide and write a note to police,
tell me what to do and help me out, is there any way ? every thing is going well
with my younger son and his family.


Thanks & Regards

Dhan Singh
dhan_mehra@rediffmail.com

Swarup said...

"We were 60 by end of year 2004 and today we are 550."

As per neha 10% are real victim , My calculation not 10% , it is less than 5 % .

Our target , the same should be less than ).000000001 % .

SIF volenter , find some more Modern Ravnas and Modern Suprenakhs in Blog , we will expose them in the whole world and stop this legal terrorism .

Cheers and good luck to all , let the whole world decided waht they want ...

MadHat said...

anon,
That sounds really scary... I already receive my share of spam and am thankful to gmail's excellent spam filters for weeding out the bad ones.
I hope these guys dont come after me with LPG cylinders and cudgels. Thankfully, I dont publicize where I live. :D

MadHat said...

As per neha 10% are real victim , My calculation not 10% , it is less than 5 % .

You just shot yourselves in the foot there, Swarup!
That proves my theory that you are just a bunch of airheads.

Swarup said...

Apurva
If you have some brain , you might have not asked this stupid question !!!

Today a lot the people , who previoulsy support the 498A , had changed thier stand after understanding the real beauty of 498A ( by SIF volenter expose activity of modern supernakhs and modern Ravans ) , irrespective they suffered by 498A or not .

Because they realise this is a legal terrorism .( And for your kind information more than 70 % volenters in on field are women only , not the men ) . I still belive this law is misused by Modern Ravans ( like so called brother and father of the 498A Girls ) .
This not the fight between Men vs. Women , this the fight between criminal vs. innocent , legal terrorist vs innocent people , as you have told not to post the link , otherwise the same can be explained , go through the blog link .
Are you ready to avoid a terrorist activity ??

And this the promise in your blog , i will ensure the day , when SIF will be by those volenter , who have not suffered by 498A at all , then only this legal terrorism will stop .

Now it is upto you and the people like Neha ( who had been exposed allready four month back ) to decided , want to support the legal terrosim or want to save the age old parents , your sister , your unborn child !!!

Swarup said...

Sorry one more point i forget to mention , do you know ,

- how many people are terrorist in Kasmir ?? Less than 2 % .

So do you mean we should stop fighting against terrorist and allow them to kill the innocent people in kashmir ??

Sorry you can do that , SIF volenters can not !!!

Swarup said...

No more point I forget to tell neha :-

As you say :

"With that kind of attitude - it's no wonder their wives left them. "

- A lot of SIF volenter allready proved it wrong ( though NCW and all their legal terrorist group tried to spoil the same ) , and their wievs with them and some are awating for a call to join them ( very funny , "my husabnd beat me , my husabnd ask money , my husabnd want to kill me , but now i am happy , as he left his contact with her parents and sister , he should keep contat with only with wives family members..very nice ).." yes they have came back after openly announce that they have misuse it, but the percentage is only 6.5 % ( as per CSR report ) , who dare to say " I have misused it ".

SIF volenters will ensure the same percentage should be 99.9999999999999%.

We know it is a mountain task , but that is the challenge , some one like to take that !!

We want domestic harmoney , not the violence and equal punishment whoever spoil the domestic harmoney .

And will not be spares if any one abuse our age old parents , small child and sister .. OK.

Which a modern ravan and modern supernakhs will never ever understand ...

Indu said...

Yes , when they see small people they say it is just few expecptional case , when they see more people speeking , they say they are all air heads ..

Which one is true ??

Now a days we can see a lot of news of crime doen by wives family towards husabnd family , slowly media also geting the courage to show the real truth , which was not possible few month back .

SIF volenters have able to provided a lot of moral support to those family who are suffering daily by this legal terrorism .. my best wishes to them and they should not brother to such type of negative people who want to spoil the campain .

Samir Dutta said...

Apurva

Your comment :-

" I hope these guys dont come after me with LPG cylinders and cudgels. Thankfully, I dont publicize where I live. :D"

This guys will come or not i do not know , but definetely i will not stop , if you abuse my age old parents .

May be you can digest if any one abuse your age old parents ( provided you have ) , sorry my dare i can't.

For that let any one hang me till the date or use or misuse 498a or any law , i does not brother .

Anonymous said...

Interesting coment :-

I know, feminists who fight with us, do send their loved ones to us when then they face false 498a cases....

- Would you please mention the name of that feminsit ??

Anonymous said...

She is none but your bloger neha vish !!!

Anonymous said...

Please Read the story despite knowing the husband is framed, is not
the culprit. Indian Leagl systems orders man to pay the money to gilrs
father, the reason the husband has money to offer.

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=88098

See the punishement of being coverd under INDIAN FAMILY LAWS. These
are most stupid Laws one can have.


--
Kind Regards,

MadHat said...

We were 60 by end of year 2004 and today we are 550.

Thankfully, insanity is a disease afflicting only 0.0001% of the population. I wonder what would happen if all of them went berserk...

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MadHat said...

srihari,
I reserve the right to say whatever I want on my blog! If you dont like what I say, get lost!

It has come to my attention that some people are just copy pasting their propaganda emails here.
So, I have a new rule (I love making those) - all unoriginal comments would be deleted...

ooops, there goes one!

MadHat said...

anon,
if you want to start a war with neha, I suggest you take it somewhere else. because for one, this is not her space.
no personal attacks here. which is why I delete your offensive comment.

Anonymous said...

then delete the nonsense he wrote about umas father/family..isn;t that personal..

apurva,
you educational knowledge should have given you un-biased senses..unlike indian politician...

Anonymous said...

remove this comment as well then


"Uma your story is really filmy and bag if lies.
"
otherwise..I will have to write such comments..by the time you delete..world can read much bad about you apurva...

men of intelligence sees bones/flesh in everyone...see that way.

MadHat said...

I got to admit it. That was smart and you did fool me for just a little while but not for long.

all those comments that just got deleted broke rule no 1.

Anonymous said...

"Uma your story is really filmy and bag if lies."

the above comment is still there..

MadHat said...

sorry sreedharan, you arnt in my shoes. btw, sorry for deleting your comment. rule no. 1, you see.

Anonymous said...

I will tell you one thing I believe. apurva..your friend 'JAYA' closed her blog comments...only for her studies..

whereas you males..still continuing concentration on blogs on working days..mitigating studies a bit...

see this is the difference in educated men and women...that's what SIF is shouting about..

Educated women becomes centric..In the west you find hardly any women advertising about dating for "compassion" or "humanly"....all educated women talk about "enjoying life what ever consequences are..with complete centric"..

your age is not to the extent of our reality and experience...though we both are from same institute but experience and age gave us what...do not go for that..use our experience by your intelligence and understand what I am talking about..

Anonymous said...

hey do not delete blog comments..

if you do not want the link filled up what web site the user belongs to ..comment that part...

MadHat said...

well, I have been a nice guy. I laid down rules and repeatedly told them to follow it. But if you just are going to behave like a bunch of monkeys, you are gonna get rapped on your knuckles.

MadHat said...

besides, I hate html/css/blogger template editing ui..

Anonymous said...

no one linked to their sites..look at your blog comment section and learn yourself..you have a field asking to enter website related to author. At the first place, why do you have that field then.?


so users entered their websites...do you think that is monkeys...!!! common! apurva be nice and knowledgeable...

Just because of your anger..you are deleting nice posts just stating some reason..
you should know that people spare time to write comments...

Get back our comments.. we have every right to view our comments...you understand..

any thing related to you personal or anger..you can delete them, but not the one with website related to.

ravi said...

do you know just yesterday, NCW stated 498a will be changed.

Do you think Girija vyas (very political in nature) will keep her word? Dowry harrassment on one side is increasing in rural areas..and 498a misuse and elder abuse in increasing in urban areas for foolish laws in society.

Anonymous said...

Whether or not Apurva or anybody else likes any of the logical/illogical comments made in their blogs, I think all the people who have spoken about 498A have done some intended/unintended social service just by driving the term 498A into everyone's heads. That's because all these youngsters will be careful when they or their family members get married. None of the victims who are talking now knew what 498A was until they were struck by it. Misuse of 498A, like many other problems in India is just a sign of OUR times. When these youngsters grow up they will have other battles to fight. As long as they don't have to fight the same old battles (because of ignorance or lack of regard towards the seriousness of certain issues) I think they should consider themselves blessed.

Anonymous said...

Apurva

Firstly hope you are alright now considering the baseless fundas these gays(as correctly said by some sane people) are trying to impose on you harshly. My god if they knew your house address u would be a dead man by now, shredded to fine peaces and relished by them. Burp burp...
You are one real Brave man and welcome to their world.

I will not mention my blog address here as i have had enough oof their terrorist activities and threats to me on my space. They did not even spare my co-bloggers who use to visit my blog. You know how embarrasing that feels?

Most of their messages are written by a few people only changing their names and even if they give their address..they all are the same group or links.

They have this pathetic art of twisting each statment and thus making it in their favour. Example the one statistic of Neha Vish(a sane lady) that is twisted by Swarup.
Neha too pointed out that maybe(maybe ) there are a few genuine cases but the rest of them are wife beaters , killers and abusers , and are seeking a desperate coverup . NO wonder their wife left them.

Another exmaple by Bharti that just coz IIT have made their entrance exams easier(or less fees something) it means or concludes according to him ONLY that women are getting a favour(haha low level thinking). Which was well refuted by you and better logic used wheere u challenged him. Infact Bharti has yet not pasted a link(sarcasm) for you to justify his stand/fact/research..he seems to have run away or rather posting remarks as anons.

Another case by this UMA girl. She signs as UMA but no link no email nothing, no refernce. A weak attempt made by her to seek sympathy or rahter the whole group of GAYS in their mask.
These guys mask thmesleves as women and create false stories only to seek sympathy.
Logic: 1)Does anyone carry out a funeral process without the children in India forcibly ?
2)Infact when children are abraod I know many families who wait for few days days or so till the children come to perform the last rites. Which is a common fact for NRI families with NRI children.
3)Uma says she and her brother were in jail, even so the law has this 'provision' to accompany her to the funeral site to attend(this is a country where religion, rituals, rites is impt and valued)
4) UMA says she was 'welcomed...' how vey filmy. It reminds me of one Sunny deol film who was banging his head in the jail in a similar situation.
5) the whole letter is made to sound very dramatic and sob sob story that will not bring tears to anyone..
Comon Uma (or whoever u are) Ekta Kapoor writes better sob sob filmy stories.
My suggestion to all you gays and Uma is that watch Ekta kapoor serials for a one week and come back with better stories. All the best.

To all the people above Jaya, Deepa, Ash, Groups,, Rosa, members, Anons, Dreameyes, Neha and above you all Apurava ..we have all to ponder about their nuisance(where they openly admit they spam groups etc and will spare no one).
People like Uma, Anjali etc etc whoever are serving these men these days ,they are the real VAMPS.
Infact I have to infer that if these women Uma, Anjali are genuine..they are the ones with whom these men must have had an Adultrity Relationship or Extra-Marital affairs. When wife came to know, she left them and maybe now wife is not giving divorce which aggrevates these disloyal men and their keeps like Uma , Indu and Anjlai types. These men and women think they can have Free Lincence of Adultrity Relationship with each other without facing the consequences. Your wife was very much right to leave you and take up the case legally.

Indu , Anjlai and Uma...if your parents were put in jail or whatver lies you give, then also Good because you got in return as you broke someones marraige and you all are house-breakers.

Uma swarup , satya, anjali , indu all seem like couples in illegitimate relationships. Example: some boyfriend of Uma is ordering Apurava to remove the remark on Uma. Can you imagine ? Its so obvious. Boyfriend of UMA..you can remove your wife from ur home but dont order others to do the same. Wonder how u must have treated you ur wife?

Some say these people are Gays..then what women are doing with them. My suggestion to Anjali, Indu and Uma..pls find yoursleves better normal guys. Dont try to change these Gays to guys...no matter how hard you seduce them gays will remain gays...and its ok these days to be gay.

Thanks Apurve for providing me a platform to say something after they harrased me no end. In the next few days I have to keep a regular check and moderate my comments as my members to complain of virus etc .
I will send you my link personally on your email, you can read them and have a heary laugh on these jokers oops... sorry GAYS.
I can see that better sense prevailed to you and how out the way you went to point out when these people wronged Jaya in her blog. To be a good human being is more relavant without being biased is not easy. You have truly shown sense rather common sense..which is so uncommon these days.
Good Luck to you.

A member of a normal group that believes in legitimate relationships.

Anonymous said...

Interesting analysis by whoever this "believer of legitimate relationships" is. Just make sure you will never be struck by 498A because when it does, you'll probably outdo all sob story/soap opera writers because the corrupt police and legal system will show you things you have never imagined in life. Consider yourself lucky for still being able to live a reasonably easy life...probably way too easy for you to even imagine what kind of plight many families are facing. Either way, it would be interesting to see if this "critical analysis" on "illegitimate relationships" (between people who probably know each other just as much as they know the analyst) will fare in this blog. Will it break rule number 1 or 2? Or will rule number 3 be invented? I guess the world is eagerly waiting to see what will happen in this most happening place, someone's precious little blog space.

Anonymous said...

A few general comments on the discussions in this blog:

1) There is more frustration and anger than any real discussion.
2) There are way too many uninformed comments and generalizations.
3) There is "cutting and pasting" of material out of context from different places on the web.
4) There are illogical and irrelevant discussions on the above mentioned material.
5) And finally, this seems to be a great way to spew venom for some people and a strange ego-boosting mechanism for others.

Whether one stands up to fight against 498A or one cares not, it's still possible to express one's views without using abusive language.
But apparently some people find it way to hard to make some effort in this regard.

Anonymous said...

Just like there are all kinds of people among the non-victimised population, there are all kinds of people who are victimized by 498A. Among people who are fighting to protect themselves and hopefully bring about some change in the system, there are extremists and moderates, who follow their own paths towards a common goal. Sometimes there are idiots too who just join the crowd, hurl stones, burn things down and may be the internet equivalent of that is to write horrible things about others and frustrate them. There are also others who just have a problem with communication and therefore come through as incoherent and directionless people. Nevertheless, it does not change the fact that there are a lot of people whose lives have been just ruined by the misuse of 498A. Now, this particular blog space may not be the right place to express views in this matter and the owner always reserves the right to do what they wish with the comments. But what's disappointing is that there's a whole lot more going on in this blog spot. Insult, abuse, slander abound in quite a few posts and that's just so disgraceful.

Anonymous said...

So to all the 3 anons above this comment. See how it HURTS to use abusive language right?? Have you seen how your own blogs sound with abuses.
Let me POINT out an interesting fact to you: If I or anyone goes one google search and I type a few adjectives, the results will be all your blogs only. Dont teach us what kind of language to use, this you should have preached in your own blogs first. :)))))

1) where were you when abusive language / accusations started at Jaya's blog? sleeping
2) where were you when for weeks we have been getting vulgar mails and dirty subject lines, even when we are not members of your group? sleeping.
3) where were u when jaya's blog was intruded and still is by unwanted gays? sleeping
4) where were you when I pleaded on one of ur own blogs to stick to facts and not abuses? sleeping
5) where were you when my mailbox gets spammed as a vindictive action by one of your partners just because i refused to pulish their mails? sleeping

TODAY when Apurava has shown you what you truly deserve you are preaching us to use better language??
6) where were you when i have as a courtesy wrote a mail to your moderator to stop his members from writing to my group his filthy stuff? sleeping

AND the most important question?
7) where were YOU when false accusations/ABUSES in disgraceful language were thrown at women in the one of the first few comments in this very blog? sleeping.

Infact there were worst abusive comments , had it not been for the wise decision of Apurava to use his delete options.

For your kindest info we are yet using civilised language and not as your folks/parters.

Looks like the your own poison is killing you today. HOw does your own poison taste?

Some one has rightly figured out , yuour extra-marital relationship is caught.

And now i use the language of one of your gay brothers or lover in pathetic grammar, his most common question : Why are you writing comemnts as anon, show your true face indentity if had your mothers milk?
how does that sound?

Thank YOU Apurava.
Show this anon all the deleted comments by you and let him/her see who is using what kind of language. And if you do, post their names in bold so that this teacher(who has just woken up) can see his/her own students.

A member

ps: Apurva I too will send you a personal mail with some of their sample analysis, theories. I dont want these LEECHERS on my back again. Becasue they found a new back and blog this week.:)))))

Anonymous said...

I am neither a web police to patrol different places on the web and find out who's saying what nor am I a teacher trying to teach anyone anything. I posted MY GENERAL and SPECIFIC OBSERVATIONS and OPINIONS on the posts. I am not here to defend or offend anyone. Everyone who posts messages are responsible for their own comments. If you cannot see that simple point nobody can help it. This post is just in case you get the idea. It does not matter if you don't.

Anonymous said...

THE DOWNFALL OF SAVEINDIAN violent GAYS

Hi Apurva

Your space is the latest to be used by them. It has taken me sometime now to read all the comments and while am reading comments ,more and more comments are being added. So other than me there are simultaenous comment readers at the same time too. I think currently you are having the highest hit rate pal!!
Better lock your doors for the next few days or go underground. They are going to beat you so much as you have your mail an open option yet. These people are cold blooded murderous and watch out.

For months they are shamelessly intruding from one group to another, one blog to another. Gatecrashing? na na they are worst. The more you avoid them the more they cling to you(LOLLOLLOL). This you may know by now , as you must have read their own comments thanking you as they seek free advertisement of their mission at your space . They have the cheek to come to my blog and insult me only.

Common courtesy demands when you ask someone for some views , after exchange we must respect each others point of view and move on. BUT no, these people will strangle you if you dare to differ. And they dont stop at this , they get vindicted too.

NOW their Downfall:

I am specifically pointing out to one such FANATIC of their group(you can safely assume who that is as his comments are the most deleted). He has been using the most awful language, theories, statments, abuses, spitting venom, cursing, terrorising, threatening, has highly violent behaviour and continously uses brazen , insolent,impudent, disrespectful verbal communication. He has been their most notorious violent member and I knew that one day, that HE only will bring their DOWNFALL automatically.

Pen is mightier. Little do they realise that one day their coverup under 'One Big Umbrella' is going to blow out.
Their own language has today let them down. They have been captured in their own web.
Guys....your lies are over. Just over. Now you cannot lie,its just over.
Your own Adulterate Relationship has been caught.
Your continous allegations of saying that your wives are having Adulterate Relationship was indeed a trap for you all(unknowingly laid by you) and it just got exposed now that its not your wives...its YOU ALL with your girlfriends who support you in these columns posing as fake-sitas having illegal relations.
Another live example: he has been threatening apurva to remove the comment of Uma. His feelings for her are out in the open.

Correction:
Pregnant wives dont got to jail but rather I would like to re-phrase it correctly as --------"Pregnant wives and sisters are thrown out of husbands houses by their greedy parents, sisters and their extra girlfriends"

In every YUG, there is one RAVAN who with his stubborn nature gets the DOWNFALL of the entire clan.
Then again the KUARWAS with their violent nature got the downfall of his own family .

Similary this guy who in his most abusive lingos throws challenges at the rest of us ,is now facing his last days.
His unwelcome intrusion in all our groups has backfired on him.

Today morning I shall breathe some freah air and GOD Is great, his justice prevails.

Apurva I am going to show the above comments to all my bloggers, as its this space that their farce got over. Your patience got the better of them. Chin up...move on.
And to all the other people who have faced this storm. Well done.

Anonymous said...

A man stands up for exploited women - he's a champion.
A woman stands up for exploited men - she's a whore.
Stand up for yourself - they'll find out your sex and make you a champion or a whore.
Some logic!

Anonymous said...

No no you got it wrong : Correction

A man stands up for exploited women - he's an unbiased sensible citizen .
A woman stands up for exploited men - she's also an unbiased sensible citizen .

We are taking about basic human rights and understandings.

and ya A woman who protects her lover who is someone else is husband or breaks her brothers house- she's a ????(ur word) or in my better language is a 'house-breaker.'


Also this is one more practical example from my side to use better lingo...there is no dearth of words to make a point in decent language.

U know what a
a guy who uses filthy language is a ????

This is what they say one arrow---2 shots.

Got the point you faceless creature. Show what you have. I picked this one from one of my old blog comments from one of ur moron brothers.

Anonymous said...

Apurva and others

I nearly fell off my chair today morning reading all the above.

Great going you guys.
Marvelous.

member of dreamyeyes_disarmingsmile group

and victim of swarup and his friends mails.

Anonymous said...

"A man stands up for exploited women - he's an unbiased sensible citizen .
A woman stands up for exploited men - she's also an unbiased sensible citizen."

Thanks for the correction. Good to know you got that part right. I guess your's is a problem of recognition then. Hope you'll get there soon. Good luck!

Anonymous said...

THE DOWNFALL OF SAVEINDIAN violent GAYS

Hi Apurva

Your space is the latest to be used by them. It has taken me sometime now to read all the comments and while am reading comments ,more and more comments are being added. So other than me there are simultaenous comment readers at the same time too. I think currently you are having the highest hit rate pal!!
Better lock your doors for the next few days or go underground. They are going to beat you so much as you have your mail an open option yet. These people are cold blooded murderous and watch out.

For months they are shamelessly intruding from one group to another, one blog to another. Gatecrashing? na na they are worst. The more you avoid them the more they cling to you(LOLLOLLOL). This you may know by now , as you must have read their own comments thanking you as they seek free advertisement of their mission at your space . They have the cheek to come to my blog and insult me only.

Common courtesy demands when you ask someone for some views , after exchange we must respect each others point of view and move on. BUT no, these people will strangle you if you dare to differ. And they dont stop at this , they get vindicted too.

NOW their Downfall:

I am specifically pointing out to one such FANATIC of their group(you can safely assume who that is as his comments are the most deleted). He has been using the most awful language, theories, statments, abuses, spitting venom, cursing, terrorising, threatening, has highly violent behaviour and continously uses brazen , insolent,impudent, disrespectful verbal communication. He has been their most notorious violent member and I knew that one day, that HE only will bring their DOWNFALL automatically.

Pen is mightier. Little do they realise that one day their coverup under 'One Big Umbrella' is going to blow out.
Their own language has today let them down. They have been captured in their own web.
Guys....your lies are over. Just over. Now you cannot lie,its just over.
Your own Adulterate Relationship has been caught.
Your continous allegations of saying that your wives are having Adulterate Relationship was indeed a trap for you all(unknowingly laid by you) and it just got exposed now that its not your wives...its YOU ALL with your girlfriends who support you in these columns posing as fake-sitas having illegal relations.
Another live example: he has been threatening apurva to remove the comment of Uma. His feelings for her are out in the open.

Correction:
Pregnant wives dont got to jail but rather I would like to re-phrase it correctly as --------"Pregnant wives and sisters are thrown out of husbands houses by their greedy parents, sisters and their extra girlfriends"

In every YUG, there is one RAVAN who with his stubborn nature gets the DOWNFALL of the entire clan.
Then again the KUARWAS with their violent nature got the downfall of his own family .

Similary this guy who in his most abusive lingos throws challenges at the rest of us ,is now facing his last days.
His unwelcome intrusion in all our groups has backfired on him.

Today morning I shall breathe some freah air and GOD Is great, his justice prevails.

Apurva I am going to show the above comments to all my bloggers, as its this space that their farce got over. Your patience got the better of them. Chin up...move on.
And to all the other people who have faced this storm. Well done.

I agree too. exactly. their game is over. their illicit relationships are open for more of it. Downfall time....boom boom boom. BOOM

Another member of dreamyeyes_disarmingsmile group
Never spam my mailbox again

Anonymous said...

This madhu rayala seems buffoonly.

Be educated and work for the nation.

sreedharan said...

Swarup shouts...I agree...But do not remember mangal pandey shouted during independance of India. I agree his shoutings are bit stronger than mangal pandey. Only reason being current Indian ppl. are more selfish than freedom struggle.

He is not tolerating country's back stab on him even after independance. If he would have back stabbed by foreigners, that would have been ok. But own politicians and committees which introduced laws, which simply make couple away from each other and in single parenting can bring person to such provocation.

In all degrees pls. take swarup provocative comments similar to the time we had freedom struggle.

In all senses, I am talking to sense persons here and not to guys like Madhu.

We will try our share and part to cleanse India to perform as better nation from all aspects.

We need to educate ppl. for this. We need to raise literacy by giving different kind of education among ppl. which will make ppl.

smarter in dealing and understanding the real life situation as educated guys do.

Educated Indians who are outside India can share by spending some amount by their kith and kin in India to buy many clothese in lot sale in India and distribute among poor people.

There are many free clinics like vivekananda ashram health services as such..devote some funds directly to them by using close relatives in India (and not by Indian NGOs in Foreign countries, i don't believe them)..

I am telling you ..this easily works and does very well..

Anonymous said...

This is for Madu or J***ND moderator who wrote above such a big story of
" D*****LL OF SAVE INDIAN VIOLENT GAYS"

Don't get scared that we send swarup to you. Don't worry.

We know that Swarup only bangs the asses of Indian politicians and NCW and not others.

I know several Yahoogroups, ppl. just chat and chat and chat all the time for several years...but no action on doing anything to India. Just talk.

Remember, More than pen, 'dand' will work for politicians of india.

Swarup said...

Just wait and watch , waht SIF can do , a lot of yahoo group , still can not forget the SIF people .
SIF will continue to expose those peole whoever justify of telling without knowing the beatuey of 498A , till the time this 498A is there , this will continue ..

So let them decied waht they want 498A , violence or harmoney and equal responsibility .

Yes , Ms. Shova de say rightly , indian men still in 16th century and indian women gonenfar away than 21st centruy .
Indian men come to 21st centry only when they feel the brning pain of a 498A .. so let continue this 498A and kill more nad more innocent people ..SIF are there to save you proveded any one want .. otherwise there is no force , you all have your own decision to judge what is right and waht is worng ...

Cheers SIf volenters , we have don it once again ...the way some yahoo group moderator crying here .

Anjali said...

Some yahoo group modertor came here as SIF had allready stopeed their on filed NGO moeny making business .

After all eavery one wants easy money .. that is the reaqson this 498A and just wait for the domestic violence bill .. a lot of people will understand the heat .

You can delete a lot of coment which is against your work , but you can ot hide the truth .

And those yahoo group moderator , you can stop reaching the mail to your group members inbox , but the reality will reach to them today or tomorrow .

Kushi said...

Crime is crime and the punishment should be on the basis of crime , irrespective of caste , sex and religion ..as says by swarup and how you will achieve that ??

Tell me how many will agree that ??

And you will remove those biased word form the LAW to give the justice to people ??

Anonymous said...

Swarup ,khushi and anjali?:) same spelling mistakes , same formation of sentences, same errors and much more. you all the same. We are not gullible though you may gladly think that!

By the way anon we are not scared that you send swarup. Do what you please. Whether you send a dalmation or a pomparian or a swarup--they all are same to us. You call yourselves non-violent people eh? Gandhiji would have been very sad to see you all.

Shreedharn must you twist eveything and come down now to respected Mangal pandey. Looks like you are one movie buff so I will explain to you in the same low simple language . Mangal's own real blood relatives objected to his biographical movie as they found his 'affair' with a 'paid lady' offensive that tarnished his image. The only thing common between the movie character mangal and swarup is the affair he is having. That JUST further pooves thats there is a lot of ILLICIT relationship going on between some of you or rather all.

So spare the real mangal pandey please.

btw what pleasure you all derive spamming mails of others with pervert content?
Repeatedly we have sent you mails carry on your pervert proprganda some place else.
The thrashing you all have got here has reduced you all to anonymousES, faceless baboons.

indian girls group
active member

Sangeeta said...

very interesting discussion .

But one thing i do not understand wahy you all want the misuse of 498A ??

When Supreme court of India says it is a legal terrorism , waht ground you say it is right ?

or

You are so blind by media and feminist , who only belive to break the relationship by showing one sided stroy and take masti , entertaiment , as i can see it is a entertaiment for you all people , that the orginal criminal does not get the punishment , so let send all the innocent people behind the bar ??

What is this logic ?

Till the time such stupid law will be there ,without supporting swarup , I can assure that a lot of people will join the hands to swarup instead of you , because he have the courage to fight openly without hiding his indentity , on the other hand you all people just hiding your indentity and trying to prove , this legal terrorism is right step in India .

Vina Raj said...

After going through this all post , hope the bloger will conclude all the discussion and should work towards a healty society in india where the stand should be as under , if we really want to stop the guy like swarup as under :-

1) We are not against women.
We are against the misuse of this biased law by few womens.

2) We are not against Women NGO
We are against the Women NGO who support misuse of such
biased laws(498a) and blackmail.

3) We are not harassed and battered husbands
We are abused families (including mothers, sisters) and
Genral Public (who are senstive and aware of the damge this biased law
can do). Hence opposing such biased law. {{The total system who treats
man as 2nd grade human and woman as 1st grade human.}} {the part in
curly bracket may be for Maleforum in addition to SIF}

4) We are not male rights organization
We are "Human Rights Organization, Indian Family system
supporter and advococy group. To streathen and nutraite ethos of
Indian Family system, wherever we are.

5) We are not against any gender
We are against anyone who uses misuses biased laws, and who
makes bised laws, even if it is in favour of men, We will oppose it.
Laws should be gender neutral.

6). We are NOT opposing the law itself, we are opposing the Biased
nature of the law and its Abuse, MISUSE.

7). We are not helpless, The system and biased law is cornering US. We
want to group and organise and remove such biased law, and its misuse
and Make it Gender Neutral Law. we are responsible tax paying
civilians of india.

8). We are TRYING TO SAVE OUR FAMILIES and Ethos of Indian Family
Institution. We are NOt HERE to HARM woman or Daughter in Laws, We are
here to remove baised laws, and stop misuse of these laws.

9) We are fighting to give good atmosphere to our children (future)
and NOT SUPPORTING KILLING OUR CHILDREN just coz of misuse of biased
laws. We want to give the Young Indian Children Good Family Life to
Grow.

10). We want our family to live in peace and respectfull manner, NOT
INSIDE JAIL FOR NO FAULT OF THEM. We do not want to succum to
blackmail attemps by any one using this biased laws.

11). We are NOT OPPOSING LADIES/ LAWS , we are opposing THE EXTORTIONS
GANGS WHICH HAVE GROWN UP ON THE NAME OF DP and DV Act, BIASED LAWS.

12). We are opposing NOT ONLY MISUSE OF 498A but ALSO, MISUSE OF 376
AND DV BILL ETC, IPC 304, DP Act.


Vina Raj

Swarup said...

Indian girls group and all your associates :-

Do you know waht is the punihsment for extra relationship for a married husabnd and married wives ??

When wives does the adultrity , what a husabnd will do ??

Now when a husabnd does adultrity or not , your own two line statement with a small line like , he does this as i not not paying 20 Lacks as dowry , is sufficient for sending not only the husband , all his 10 or 15 family behind the bar irrespective of they stay in india or abrod .

What is the problem to accept that a modern supernakhs and modern sita both are avaibale in India and history wittness , who does good and who does bad for the people .

So there the question does not arise that a extra realtioship can be made by a husabnd , the power and LAW given the wholesale free lincence to wives only .

First improve the konoledge , so that you kill more and more innocent people , instead of fighting with swarup .. because swarup had allready asked to president of India to shoot him in front of India gate , if he had does wrong .

Those yahoo group moderator are crying here , because they can not answer the swarup question and loosing thier ground as SIF volenters are gorwing day by day .

So do not worry about swarup , wash your face and reply his question .

Swarup said...

Vina the day you will achieve this , swarup will vanish from this society .

Is there any one , who can take this job ??

Because a long back one of my frined asked Is there any Laxman to support a Modern Sita or Only Modern ravan are there to support a Modern Supernakhs ??

Till date i have not find any one !!

Are you the one ??

Anonymous said...

Vina raj

How will you explain when many of the men are in your group who have actually taken dowry.
I know this...read my words I know this.
I know my own husabnd who is having multiple relatinships with diff women is a member of your group. He used to visit other people in the market for their services and today he is in your group. Check him out.

You say you are the messiah of saving families. Where were you when we came on your blogs and were abused to the core.

Suddenly Vina you have changed your language..the wind is against SAVE indian gays. The DOWNFALL has started.
You gays have stayed up all night to rephrase your language.

The way you all attacked Jaya's blog a few weeks ago wasnt it you too Vinaraj.

Your times are over. downfall has begun.

"The rest are just hiding under that larger umbrella".
Perfect

A Man said...

swarup your coment :-

"Now when a husabnd does adultrity or not , your own two line statement with a small line like , he does this as i not not paying 20 Lacks as dowry , is sufficient for sending not only the husband , all his 10 or 15 family behind the bar irrespective of they stay in india or abrod ."
- If this is true , then way Indian men get married ??

At the same time to those indian girls , if Indian men are so bad then why you also want to get married , better earn your self and lead a comfortable life at your own , why you want money from your husabnd at the time of divorce ??

This is not fair my dear!!

Anonymous said...

Hi Apurva

Right in the start there was this person bharti who said some changes were made in IIT exams or fees to be biased towards women.

You strongly refuted it and asked him to show the basis of his research?

Has he shown it you (maybe you deleted the comment) so i was asking.
If you deleted the comment could you let me know what Bharati's LOGIC was??

See I am not from IIT, but my friends in college sometimes when we use to see IIT pupils, we wondered how they got in IIT. And we concluded they passed their IIT entrance exams by doing 'eeny, meeny, mino , mo' on the option.

And after reading bharati logic in his desperate attempt to pull women down I definately see he is one of them.

Thanks and you are brave for what you have endured.

Sachin Sharma said...

My wife had made my life miserable for last 12 years , but i have not dare to fight back due the frear of my age old parents go to jail , i prefers to buy a new house in her name and stay their .

But after seeing the SIF volenter , my sincer request , do not campain to remove this 498A law at least for another 10 yrs., so that i can teach her a lesson through my daughter in law , and will show that a women also can go to jail , as she belives in this world no one will able to send her in jail , if i do any thing , she will put me in jail .

Please do not demand to cahnge the 498A , SIF volenters ..

Swarup .. very nicely you have exposed them , now the ball is in opposite court , they are trying to save thier skin , as always does by Indian wives , cry and get the sympathy from others and prove thier husabnd making thier life miserable .

Swarup said...

OHHH , now you should have say that bharti and swarup is same ??

Come to bangalore IIT campas you will get the answer .

Bharti will be avaibale there .

Swarup said...

Now you have seen the effect vina raj , they will never ever accept your soft language , that is the reason swarup is harsh , because dogs tail is dog tail only !!!!

Will my dear who ever asked for taking dowry , why you can not come forwrd and put him jail ??

By the way do you know dowry givign also a crime , and why you have purchased a male postitute by paying money ??

You might have all the power to get a husabnd as per your capability , instead of paying the bribe and buy a husabnd .

Now you do the crime and want the whole sale free lincence by givign bribe , and want sympaty from SIF group ?? Swarup belive those gives doery and purchase a male postitute , to be hang till date .

Still if you want , promise show us the proof of all the sowry items, SIF will ensure how you get back your items , as law says this not dowry , this is streedhan , otherwise NCW have to put you and your parents behind the bar for givign the dowry .

Now the second question , let give your suggestion , how much sowry you have collected at the time of leaving the husabnd house ??

I would like to see the down fall of SIF group that is my aim , as the day all those legal terrorism will stop there would not be required any SIF group at all my dear .....

Anonymous said...

nice one swarup , purchasing a male postitute !!!!!!

Anonymous said...

But i think 498A is not applicable for male postitute .

Anonymous said...

madhu,
do not find fault with lang. which ppl. like me and you created on this earth.

Understand what swarup says by tendencies...What for your education is helping others except you..BUT swarup tendencies are helping many elder parents in DELHI. so, pls. get away and be happy that you didn't come to Save Indian FAmily yahoo group(SIF) (as everyone safe in your home)

Anonymous said...

Women Cell CLOSED/SHUT DOWN at Haridwar, Uttranchal
Dear All:

As you all know that the CORRUPT women police inspector Ms. Anshu
Chaudhari (ex-in charge of Women Cell, Haridwar, Uttranchal) has
already been transferred to the other location because of supporting
my wife and in-laws for extortion and blackmailing.

You all will be surprised to know that Women Cell at Haridwar has
been CLOSED/SHUT DOWM for indefinite period!!! I and my family
thankfully acknowledge the kind support by the government and its
agencies (CMs-Uttranchal & Haryana; SP & DC-Faridabad; DGP-Haryana;
DGP-Uttranchal; SSP & DM-Haridwar; CBI and Interpol-New Delhi;
Secretary-MOIA; Secretary General-NHRC; Chairperson-NCW; Other law
enforcing agencies in India, TV Media-especially investigation by
AAJ TAK and Zee TV).

Just to share it with you all. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

can those grils yahoo group and their supporter will explain why this editor writs such things in media :-

KOLKATA: Angered by the pestering of her hungry son, a woman in a West Bengal village beheaded the six-year-old and then tried to hide the severed head in a haystack.

Local reports on Friday said Jamuna Biswas of Panditpur in the Hanskhali area of Nadia district committed the crime a day earlier and later confessed before police who arrested her.

“The meal was not ready then. My son Rony was nagging for food. I lost my cool and hacked him to death with a da (a sickle),” the woman said.

Two other sons - Raja and Rana - escaped the woman’s wrath but eldest son Raja said his mother tried to kill him as well though he managed to run away when she was in a fit of rage.

Anonymous said...

Dear girls group and your supporter , yes in india the down fall of Save indian movement started , go through this article :-

Channel 7, an Indian TV Channel aired a 30 minutes program on thousands of families, who face utter misery due to some vicious women who file false cases of Section 498a on these families. Parveen Walia and his team at Delhi protest every alternate saturday against this Law Section 498a which is creating misery for thousands of innocent elders, mothers and sisters.

The program starts with the story of a family whose son is settled in US and he marries an Indian woman working in US. Due to the difference in their marriage, the woman comes to India and files false case of section 498a alleging cruelty by mother-in-law and brother-in-law in Delhi who had literally no contact with her. The elderly mother and innocent brother-in-law were jailed for 7 days. The woman happily returned back to US to continue her work and simply does not appear in hearings in courts. The accused persons under section 498a are considered guilty till they prove themselves innocent. The trial of these cases begins after 3 years and it takes another 2 more years to get an acquital. There is no punishment or even fine for those who file the false cases of 498a. Channel 7 approaches the complainants and their families, who simply have got no answers and hence they end up giving lame excuses. Are our Politicians, Women Organisations including NCW and Judiciary Listening ?

Anonymous said...

Elder people are dying in India.

some thoughts for commenters:

what do you think as blogger agrees with misuse but better way in demonstrating unlike provocating common men.

Also, to remove misuse, which one option works:

1) Making all-in-all physical/mental torture both as
compoundable/bailable

2) Taking out "mental clause" from 498a and keeping non-
compoundable/non-bailable from police for physical torture.

3) Making compundable/bailable for mental torture and making non-
compundable/non-bailable for physical torture having both
mental/physical in 498a.

4) completely revoking 498a and having normal domestic violence laws
as in developed nations to punish, if there is a physical assault on
person and evidence found by police on spot

Pls. argue on this when time permits..

Let me hear what others are thinking in our group. pls. add your
contributions to save innocent families in India to SAVE INDIAN
FAMILY

thanks
valli

Swarup said...

This should have a great entertaiment for all !!

As a lot of blogger coment want to show and some yahoo group moderater ( not ready to expose their indentity , as they have been allready exposed by SIF volenters ) :-

"The elderly mother and innocent brother-in-law were jailed for 7 days. The woman happily returned back to US to continue her work and simply does not appear in hearings in courts. The accused persons under section 498a are considered guilty till they prove themselves innocent."

Swarup said...

My views the option 4.

completely revoking 498a and having normal domestic violence laws
as in developed nations to punish, if there is a physical assault on
person and evidence found by police on spot


And here the word shoud be spouse instead of wives/husabnd .

All the responsibility should be taken by spouse them self , no interference of other realtive members , if any husabnd or wife allow that , he/she should get the punishment .

Swarup said...

Do not worry about madhu , we had allready enquired about this family , he refused to talk to the SIF volenters when they want to know at waht cost his wife had purchased him .

he had been exposed long back and hiding in different group :-

this was the answer when he calim to be a freedom fighter grand son and justfy , waht why your parents should stay with you.

Why you want a second child when your wife had killed the first child ..etc.

"Great Salute to those Grand son of So Called Political Freedom Fighter !!!

Lets Join the hands to them who justifying the sending age old parents , Pregent sister to jail without any investigation as they can not punish the actual Culprit , so they must send a budgeted Inocent people inside the jail , so that those actual Criminal are moving free in society can get a fear and behave honestly .

So dear criminals , dont worry , no one will able to punish you as long as some grand son of Great Political Freedom Fighter are available in this society .

Once again the same question arises , Is there any laxman to support Sita or only Ravans are available to support Suparnakhas ??

Let wait and watch !!"

After that he vanish!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bharati said...

It is a bad practice to have gender based pricing or taxation .
Be it income taxes , Sales Taxes or admission fees at IIT.

It only leads to a learned helpless or unfair expectations like some anonymous who expects a free ticket to America to be sponsered by the husbands( SOWRY HARASSMENT) . or many of those women indulging in Dowry Immigration Fraud about whom the US embassy warns about.

Regarding Neha's comment that now it is only 10% I would have been happy if it had been the case and these 10% were not prosecuted furthur and really treated as exception. But ground reality is different
It is the quality of expected Evidence and definiteness of law which tells whether a law will be misused or not . By removing the requirement under the section 113b of the evidence act for the 498a cases it unfortunately filing of section 498a or Dowry cases it becomes that charges are filed on accusations not on evidences which means a mere complaint is sufficient to go to trial which is not so in the case of other IPCs.
which means even false acusations without evidentiary support are charged. This is what is meant by it is easy as idly vada sambhar
Justice Saldhana in 2003 points out to the anlysis done by Karnataka judiciary of Dowry deaths that 44% of the deaths were thoroughly unprosecutable.
Other expert opinions place the misuse of the dowry laws in the range of 60%-90%.
Apurva's rules forbid me to furnish those links but available in SIF folders

SIF is participating in Study done by United Kingdom university on the misuse and in six months the researchers are frustrated by womens organisers inability to furnish true cases or at the lack of evidence in their case files.

The womens organisation have good base on dowry death cases but still one cannot explain the lack of differential death rates between married and unmaried women . if dowry death or dowry suicide had been occuring so frequently as made out I would have expected there to be differential in death rates for married and unmarried women. Neither the study by Professor Nagaraj of Madras Institue of Developmetn studies or the india stat points to any such evidence. In fact the recent evidence by Dr VijayLakshmi in Chennai on suicide points out that womens suicide rate decline slightly amongst married women. Apurva rules forbid to furnish such links. For married men however he rate of suicide is 50% higher ( note it is rate not abslute number I am discussing here ) . What is the difference between married men and unmarried men . A wife . It clearly demonstrates that a wife is claary in some respects responsible for these deaths lack of suicide note not withstanding.whether that is abetment or not is point of View

The Feminists have no doubt good of women at heart but are blinded by misandry that it makes them see gender rather through a jaundiced eyes.
I would have applauded Feminists if they had asked for banning foeticide instead of just female foeticide.
I would have applauded feminist if they had asked for women to be financially independed instead of criticisng men for not providing financial support or free ticket o america.
If they had said they want women to pay eqaul taxes I would have applauded .
If they had said that they ask for equal treatment before Law I would have applauded.

They have done none of these these things and deserve my castigation

Jaya in my last mail long time back I have taken back anything and everything I may have said. Is that abject and grovelling regret sufficent for you?

Like Jaya ,I and other SIFians have been sitting in a small corner of the world , Did iit ,did career , marriage and lived spectacularly boring life,
by what right the feminists and womens organisation or anybody else sponsor and support laws where in no evidence is required to issuing arrest warrants on fridays to elderly and decent familes without even giving chance to speak out?

The same thing was said by Malimath Committee reforms that process of the 498a nd dowry laws needs to be streamlined . The only opposition is a few msiguided feminists and womens organisations and unfortunately media is playing the gender card because they forget that not just women and chidren but men and elders have human rights.

Bharati said...

Many people say many things about bharathi

Someone said how did bharati get into iit.
"Do I detect a pure jealosy my dears "

Bharati Please research more into the change of patterns of exam being changed
Bharati says Read carefully again dear the times article exam pattern is being changed to get more girls

Judges High court and supreme court judges say which fool file dowry case against bharati and father-in-law is already punished by the M.P. lok ayukta

NCW says , Swarup ko roko , bharati se bachao kyonki
we are explaining to every one online and offline the real meaning of Domestic violence laws and that one should only marry a women who alredy owns a house becuase in case of dispute you will loose it to so So Sorry girls you want a house buy your own and then marry

Anonymous said...

Swarup there is not bangalore IIT .
You talk like a railway hawker
Bharati
you talk like a lowly farm hand

MadHat said...

Enough!
No more name calling.
I cant monitor your comments regularly but it seems like it has deteriorated into some stupid mud-slinging festival.

I see a lot of frustrated and angry people making stupid and needless comments.

Consider this the last comment on this post. After this, all comments would be moderated.

Anonymous said...

Ms. Madhu Kiswar , fight for women right for last 30 years :_

"I have not come across a single case where a man battered a
woman solely because of additional dowry demands and would begin to
treat his wife well if his in-laws met with all his demands.

By contrast, I have come across numerous situations, where a woman
suffers a lot of taunts and even violence because her husband's
family feel she might start considering herself high and mighty for
bringing in a huge dowry. Director Vijay Anand's film Kora Kagaz
produced in 1970s provided a very sensitive and insightful portrayal
of an otherwise happy 'love marriage' suffering a break-up because
the bride's mother insists on showering her daughter and son-in-law
with gifts to make up for the modest income of the latter, leading to
a sense of inadequacy and humiliation in the son-in-law."
http://www.indiatogether.com/manushi/issue148/dowry.htm

Anonymous said...

Vina

You quoted in point 12 that your are against all the laws in general which put you criminals into task.

But the PIL intro in one of your home sites(mynation) supports the other laws and is only against 498a
Whoaaaa what a CONTRADICTION?

Sit up with your gays and first fianlise a mission goal and then come back , do cut , copy , paste.

Basically you want all laws removed that gives women some legal rights and you all MCPs want to turn this country into an other Afganistan

BUt you know what I love this country and your mission will neverbe successful as long we have people like me , neha, rosa, deepa, apurva, and many other men who are unbiased.

A women

Indian said...

You say "misuse of law happes"..
What punishment you propose for misuse of law due to which innocent people had to go to jail, and loose jobs..

Anonymous said...

The Brainwashing by Media and Feminazies has created an army of brainwashed clones.

Media, Feminazies, and these clones have SPAMed, Destroyed Lives of thousands of innocents via Misinformation and distortion of information on 498a.

Even today, Media suppresses 498a stories and Supreme Court has come down heavily on Media for publishing false dowry cases as genuine ones.

People who destroy other's lives, drive old and sick people to misery and death for remaining political correct are disgusting.

The simple solution is:
-----------------------
Do not change 498a.

But, argue for heavy punishment to women who file false cases and for Lie detection, Brainmapping test on the accused (cost being paid by accused). Simple is not it ?

I have not seen a single person from Neha to Jaya saying this.

498a is not any other civil law. It is also not like any other criminal law. Its one of its kind. In no other law, people are arrested without proof or evidence.

It does not matter if it is one case or 10 thousand. Do not change the law, but give punishment to people who misuse laws.

Last year, 60,000 cases of 498a are filed. SIF claims 90% are false. Even if we say 5% are false, then there are 3000 false cases and there are 3 people for every case suffering.

If we assume 5% are false, then 15,000 people suffering, getting jailed "for being principled" and "for not taking dowry" and media hides it under carpet. But, it blows up stories of 3,500 bar dancers(I have nothing against bar dancers or stripe tease). I would like to conclude that Indian Media has come out worse than Indian Politicians. So, our democracy is in real danger.

If all laws are misused, then those how are victimised by law are forced to take law into their hands and they know law can be misused. Where will it all lead to ?

Indian Legal System lets Murderers and Rapists go scot free and yet 15,000 innocent people(mostly elders) are tortured in jail(if I take apurva's assertion that 5% cases are false).

Do you feel Indian Media is "balanced" ? Why should people be balanced when it achieves NOTHING.

There are people crying everywhere about Corruption in a "Balanced" and "matured" manner. Did any improvement happen ?

"Balanced" talk makes "unbalanced" thick skinned people to get used to it.

Misandry, just like Misogyny will not help the society. Negativity has never trasformed anyone into a positive entity. Why do we assume in a "balanced" manner that large scale misandry will create better Men ? It may or it may not.

What if it does not ? Then, it is going to be one more social problem.

Feminism has its relevance. But, today Gender Equality is Politically correct. But, feminists have not become "balanced" and still they remain in a domain of "urgency" and "alarmism". That is defeating the cause of "Gender Equality".

I am straight talking to you Apurva, "God forbid (I pray), if you (being a believer of Gender Equality) and your complete family get implicated in false 498a, get jailed and run around courts for years even though you are very principled and caring to your wife, then how will you feel and what will you do ?"

Will you say,"Its OK for all of us to get jailed, after all the law is helping thousands of other women" ?

But, when you find that true victims are not getting any help from this law as this law puts husband and his family behind bars, then what will you do ?

Then, when you realise that true dowry givers do not file 498a because, they want to recover the money and they know they will lose the dowry money if the case is filed and it runs for 10 years, then what will you do ?

Niti Dua said...

I have just one question to ask you : do you approve sending innocent human beings to jail?

Anonymous said...

What sucks is that many people (including Apurva) who are arguing for female-biased laws (and against any amendements to the same) are neither victims of dowry harrassment nor do they understand exactly what the criminal procedure is and how it "benefits" the complainant. They don't know that these laws have nothing to do with gender equality.

People who are shouting out loud for amendements are actually those who are innocent victims caught in vicious traps and even judicial authorities.

Use arguments of a couple of irrational individuals to come down harshly on an entire group of victimized people...just because you don't like the way they talk about their plight and because ego-satisfation and armchair philosophy are more important than recognizing human plight.

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